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The Werewolf Game #2961

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

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koin_era345tus


Posted: 05:28PM Aug 23, 2013

It would not take Sherlockian powers of deduction to ascertain that Har was a regular Joe Human. As the first customers filtered into McFry's for their morning coffee, they saw his body slumped over the table where he had been sat last night, ranting about mind control burgers and how the children are all mindless sheep repeating what they're told just like Rush Limbaugh said.

They approached with trepidation about what horrific injuries they might find, but on inspection could find no evidence of attack. It appears that, relevant to our adopted theme, old father time simply caught up with him. Quite why customers still came to a diner that had played host to three deaths in three days should perhaps be questioned, but not right now.

No more round challenges so get down to the dirty business of regular WWG.

As an aside, it appears our dearly departed The_Spider has started a WWG with a Back to the Future theme. What a truly novel idea!


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 05:30PM Aug 23, 2013

Well night definitely timed out. Har seemed like somewhat of a random eating. With only one wolf voting we could potentially get some good info.

These wolf tips are insane starting to think we should actually be looking at people who have been waiters/servers.

Running on that theory, jayo and scrub both said they had worked as food servers in Round 1.

Jayo:
've worked as a waiter and as a bartender, many years ago, some good times but in Ireland there isn't much of a tipping culture so sadly I never made much that way


Scrub:
I never waited, but I did work in fast food as a youngster.


The waiters might not inherently tip higher, but I would think people who have never worked in that industry would go with a more standard ~15-20%


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4demo


Posted: 07:56PM Aug 23, 2013

Hmm. In the previous rounds, 21k voted for SirHar, nicats, and koin, respectively.

Last round, the votes for 21k accumulated in this order: SirHar, koin, Harry, dfamina, scrub, caberet. I'm slightly less inclined to suspect scrub and maybe dfamina since it wouldn't make a lot of sense to pile more votes on a fellow wolf and make it more likely for him to be shot. I'm not sure about applying the same reasoning to cab since it would be possible for a wolf to realize that 12k was likely to get shot anyway, and might try an act of self-preservation by casting the final/inevitable vote and hopefully casting away suspicion.

I think koin brings up an interesting idea. I've never worked in a restaurant, and all my tips have been roughly in the 15-20% range. Not sure about different cultural norms or if being a wolf, one might just want to demand more money though...


"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it, however." - Richard Bach
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scrub88it


Posted: 08:02PM Aug 23, 2013

I really don't think the wolves were trying to be practical with their suggested tips.

I am keeping my suspicions close to the vest since we don't have a seer. I will vote for nicats more than likely this round, but there are two others I would seriously consider if the players I trust went in their direction instead.

I am basing a vote on nicats not on Har's eating, but rather on her lack of commitment to a genuine conversation about last round's hunt. I am pretty sure the wolves split their vote.

As an aside, boy am I glad this work week is over.
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caberetAus


Posted: 10:30PM Aug 23, 2013

Wahooey! 1 down, 2 to go...

I don't see why considering people's waitperson experience would have anything to do with the wolves choices. We had to hit inside the range of the wolves tip expectations. It made no sense for any of them to lowball their choices, since that would make for a higher range if one went high. Mind you, that didn't occur to me previously, but better late than never...

4demo said that koin was the 2nd player to vote for 21k. That kindof negates my suspicion. On the otherhand, a wolf wanting to be in on the kill wouldn't want to wait. 21k had her vote on koin. But does that clear or implicate? It could clear koin, because why would a wolf vote for a fellow wolf? On the otherhand, that's also a great way to seemingly clear an ally.

My vote for 21 was really just because of my impatience. I don't have much time (moving sucks) and I didn't want us to wait longer than we had to. But then the dratted wolves let the night time out.

Something bugged me about koin's posting, brb.


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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caberetAus


Posted: 10:31PM Aug 23, 2013

koin_era345 wrote:
...With only one wolf voting we could potentially get some good info...
How did koin know that only 1 wolf voted? Did his partner go AWOL?

I'm placing my vote for koin who has seemed wolfie to me for several rounds now.


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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dfamina


Posted: 10:47PM Aug 23, 2013

caberet wrote:
How did koin know that only 1 wolf voted? Did his partner go AWOL?


Because night timed out, so at least one wolf didn't vote, but if no wolves vote, the first person on the list alphabetically is eaten. So, one wolf voted; the other didn't.
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debc1A


Posted: 10:50PM Aug 23, 2013

ok my 2 cents:

4demo - something said gave me pause, have to go look but 3rd on my list
caberet - i am still here, don't think she would over inflate
debc1 - cab is still here, tips are ridiculous
dfamina - memory laspe and i am to lazy to check, didn't you do that interview recently? if so leaning no, did you watch fawlty towers yet?
HarryPutter - i can so see him expecting those kind of tips
Jayo - i think he has a grasp of reality...but magically delicious
koin_era345 - young gun, definite possibility
nicats - don't think she is that blatant of an exaggerator
scrub88- honest, realistic, don't think he would over inflate

i think kal was the realistic wolf
therefore my wolf order is koin, harry, demo
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:54PM Aug 23, 2013

Night timed out, it's the logical assumption that only 1 wolf voted at night i could be missing something but as a wolf, how would I know anything more than the humans about whether it not my partner voted? Dont think cab is a wolf yet, at least not one of my top suspects this round.

Also please keep in mind that I was the second vote on kaldridge last round, building off a HAR vote. I could easily enough have not taken him seriously (as the others except HP did in the beginning). I haven't considered deb yet - there could be something there. Why being a "young gun" () is deserving of a vote, I dont know...

Voting jayo as a counter majority if anyone is interesting, but I'll be on again in the morning to see what has happened.


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debc1A


Posted: 11:20PM Aug 23, 2013

well i did some re reading

can't find the demo post that struck me odd, maybe i was in a mood
also re read koins posts, i know a lot of wolves vote for other wolves to look human, i am half and half on you
being a young gun- i meant you have not entered the work force so your expectations could very well be high
no insult by the term was intended

i will be back in the am
i will vote either koin harry or demo

scrubs would appreciate your take on this, and really everyone else
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scrub88it


Posted: 11:30PM Aug 23, 2013

I didn't even notice 4 demo did not vote last round. Adjusting my list a little.

Deb - I don't like it when we see the game so differently.

Check back in the morning.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:16AM Aug 24, 2013

Why are you guys voting koin? He's one of the main reasons we shot 21K last round, he seems as good as human to me.

Voting Jayo to tie it up.

Considering voting deb if she could possibly consider koin and I as suspects after we were in the 3 initial votes for 21K to put her in a majority.
And the tip number is irrelevant, deb The wolves just learned to pick higher numbers since humans kept sending in low ones.


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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4demo


Posted: 12:41AM Aug 24, 2013

Sorry about not voting last round. It's actually rather embarrassing... I forgot to check on the game for the better part of the time I was on, and then when I finally remembered, I started writing a post, but cab had voted and ended the round a couple of minutes before I tried to post my reply. I wasn't trying to hide anything or lie low, but I won't blame anybody for feeling that way!

Can someone explain how we know night timed out? I'm aware that it took 24 hours, but isn't it possible that the second wolf voted past the 23rd hour (so close to the end that the random-hour delay would have caused it to look like it timed out or was just a few minutes short or something)?


"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it, however." - Richard Bach
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nicatsAus


Posted: 06:18AM Aug 24, 2013

I know I checked the game with 23 minutes left before night ended so I assumed it was going time out if unless one of the wolves was sneaking in at the last minute. I was on my phone so I didn't get a chance to see who was online at the time. I didn't check back in until a couple of hours later because we went out to eat and family time was more important then game time.

Sorry Scrub you didn't think I was adding to the convo of the game. Its hard for me to type long thoughts on my stupid phone and not have a blue million errors and make everyone try to decipher it.

Honestly I thought Har was my closest choice for a wolf. I guess I am a little rusty on this since the last 5 or so games I have played I have been shot or eaten in the first round or 2. Actually glad I have made it this far. All I know is if I was a wolf and was trying to set Har up as a wolf and convince all of you to shoot him, I would not vote to eat him. So with that said take it or leave it but I am at a loss at the moment who the next one is I will vote for.


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JayoAie


Posted: 08:04AM Aug 24, 2013

Well if I am reading it right, the wolves were only given a tb this round and so couldn't (shouldn't) have colluded over the eating.
At this stage, doubt both wolves are voting together so I'd say either HO or Koin for giddiness.

HP the more likely, I could see him voting to eat Spid and letting night time out
Voting HP, obviously could change if I need to save myself.

Could be totally wrong, usually am.
Deb is a suspect of mine right now too, sorry Deb!

Voting HP

(Am on holidays in Kerry, hard to get reception but I'll be on again when back in the hotel - am not a wolf, promise)


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scrub88it


Posted: 11:18AM Aug 24, 2013

I am believing nicats for now. I know what you are saying about Har, as that would be too obvious. I just assumed he got eaten for being first vote on 21K.

Koin - I got one tip for ten dollars once from a elderly lady that I served routinely. Otherwise inconsistent change, and never more than a dollar. And I just don't think being a waiter/waitress mattered. All of us playing this game tip, except maybe the kids.

Analysis for Deb. I am voting you. As much as I agree it is possible that 21K and Koin were two wolves battling, I find that to be the last scenario of all possible. So assuming Koin is human, I think one(or both) of the remaining wolves voted outside of the 21K vote. I know when I voted is was still 4-3. Having never played with 4demo, I will accept her explanation but I find it unusual that despite quality analysis she did not suggest a player(s) to suspect. When I play with Harry, I follow him exactly opposite of how I play with everyone else. Instead of looking for wolf vibes, I look for human vibes. So far so good. So I don't understand Jayo's suspicion.

Harry and Koin - I will vote with you in the end if I have to, but I am feeling much more inconsistency from Deb than Jayo at this time. I could also vote for 4demo if you prefer. Just not ready to close the book on Jayo. I would go Deb, 4demo, and then Jayo.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 11:36AM Aug 24, 2013

HP was the first to suspect 21k and the third vote on her last round, what would be the point of bussing a wolf? It makes no sense to bus a fellow wolf when there's literally no suspicion on them beforehand.

I'm looking at last round, we have:
1. Harrys accusation
2. Har seconds it and votes
3. Harry waits to see if it will gain traction (which is a little wolfy)
4. nicats, jayo, 21k, and deb ignore it, in that order
5. I third the vote
6. dfamina and scrub join
7. cab pulls the trigger

I would think the people in steps 4 would be the most likely to be wolves. At the time there was something of a competing majority. I haven't seen 21k in a lot of these games, so it would be possible for her to jump on a majority suggested by a fellow wolf... jayo specifically.


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debc1A


Posted: 11:58AM Aug 24, 2013

morning

ok we do see things different this game
i was taking the tips as prompts (truthful)
so if i toss those out i need to rethink

i can assure you i am human

but i have seen wolves vote for each other and vote for one if they are becoming a majority

need to reread
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debc1A


Posted: 12:06PM Aug 24, 2013

ok did some reading

i would be willing for a demo vote

i am really surprised at you scrubs
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caberetAus


Posted: 12:10PM Aug 24, 2013

Ok, I'm going to change gears here. It feels odd, because I'm trusting koin, who I've been suspicious of for several rounds. (But I also thought that the seer was wolfie, so...)

I like koin's analysis of the vote for 21k. The person I find most suspicious of is HP. I was surprised by his rather bold protection of koin, but it would be understandable if 1. Koin is human and 2. HP knows koin is human because HP is a wolf!

So I'm changing to HarryPutter.

P.S. I'm reading debc1 as human at least partly because I'm still alive. (We tend to gun for each other when we're on opposite sides! )


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debc1A


Posted: 12:14PM Aug 24, 2013

i am very tempted to join you cab
especially after he me

edit

pulling my vote off koin
could change


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4demo


Posted: 01:50PM Aug 24, 2013

I still don't have any really strong opinions on anyone. Also a little hesitant of gunning for anybody because in the past, I've always been spectacularly off when I did...

If I had to say, I'm least suspicious of nicats and otherwise, I could probably be persuaded to vote in any direction (myself excluded, but I realize nobody else should take my word that I'm human). I think I'm going to vote for dfamina for now since I'm a little surprised he hasn't been more active.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 02:14PM Aug 24, 2013

You may as well hand the wolves the game if you vote me, I'm one of the few obvious humans.

Cab, that is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever read I already justified why I thought koin was human (tying the vote with 21K), and it's obvious why I'm human (breaking the tie against 21K). Let's hear some real reasons to vote me that don't rely on me being annoying for stating something plainly obvious.
Jayo's vote is extremely reactionary and the reasoning is forced which sounds wolfy to me, so I'll keep my vote on him. Let's see someone try to save him, and maybe we'll have 2 wolves

4demo voted for dfamina
caberet voted for HarryPutter
debc1 voted for 4demo
HarryPutter voted for Jayo
Jayo voted for HarryPutter
koin_era345 voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for debc1


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scrub88it


Posted: 03:51PM Aug 24, 2013

I really want to vote 4demo, but it is getting close to the end of the day and it appears Koin and Harry have only one main suspect. I just changed to Jayo too.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 04:41PM Aug 24, 2013

I'm starting to lean toward jayo/deb

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 04:48PM Aug 24, 2013

I agree. Debs demo vote seems like a desperate attempt to start a counter-majority.

With 45 minutes left...
4demo voted for dfamina
caberet voted for HarryPutter
debc1 voted for 4demo
HarryPutter voted for Jayo
Jayo voted for HarryPutter
koin_era345 voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Jayo


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