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The Werewolf Game #2961

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This game is moderated by Smithy. Please read the rules and contact the moderator with any questions or concerns about this game.

Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #8

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:27PM Aug 28, 2013

I think we've all learnt something, and had a little fun along the way. Dfamina's decision to stay clear of the restaurant for a few days amid all the bloodshed was perhaps the wisest strategy of all - for now, McFry's doors are closing for good.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:27PM Aug 28, 2013

So..Smithy...do I HAVE to take the high road here..... ?

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debc1A


Posted: 07:28PM Aug 28, 2013

good game guys
well done scrubs
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4demo


Posted: 07:33PM Aug 28, 2013

Good job, deb! (And thanks for popping in at an opportune moment, dfamina!)

Apologies to everyone (mainly deb and nicats) who I vehemently accused of being wolfish near the end. (I do still think I had semi-valid reasons at the time, but that's another story. ) I didn't really suspect scrub until after I was eaten since he was posting just enough to be active but not enough to have said anything obviously suspicious.


"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it, however." - Richard Bach
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nicatsAus


Posted: 07:36PM Aug 28, 2013

Yep after i was shot i eas thinking scrubb since he did pull off a majoriy that.

Good game guys.


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scrub88it


Posted: 07:44PM Aug 28, 2013

Spider, you surprise me. I thought you found all 3 of us by the end of the day in round 2.

Congratulations humans! See everyone in November. These games are way too intense to play while teaching.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:48PM Aug 28, 2013

Good luck with those brats Scrub

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debc1A


Posted: 08:01PM Aug 28, 2013

bye scrubs
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changhill*us


Posted: 11:17PM Aug 28, 2013

SO proud of my gal deb... better luck next time cab

*rawr*
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:06AM Aug 29, 2013

Chang:
Voting for myself gives me a tactical advantage (human or wolf)


LONGHORN'S GAME:

Chang: HOW DARE YOU VOTE FOR ME!! YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THE TACTICAL ADVANTAGE I HOLD OVER EVERYONE!!!

how can you possibly be serious?? (harry has it exactly right you try to be cheap and you got called on it finally..deal wit it)

I was spot on the money the first time I brought it up several games ago, your the most self aggrandizing player on this site, it doesnt take any particular skill or talents to be the "feather ruffler" (which I don't even think you are) you just have to be willing to make stupid decisions which you are fully aware earn you a 'reputation'. And no, the seer never leads in Round 2...you know...since the seer DOESNT want to be eaten (and has a single human divination to begin with)

In one round you put the seer's lone divination in jeapoardy, the seer himself in jeaopordy (one of the strongest players to protect a wolf who admitted to likely inactivity) and finally were unwilling to save YOURSELF in lieu of shooting that wolf (instead choosing to float some self serving martyr rhetoric my way). So when Harry's says shooting you is removing a liability, that's mostly an understatement, and it makes YOU criticizing MY vote that round utterly hilarious

PS: I voted for you, cause there is no reaon to put a 5th vote on yourself with an hour to go, its purely a superficial/attention move, and you were shot on principle, blame the player not the game


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dfamina


Posted: 09:50AM Aug 29, 2013

I know this is hardly the place to discuss this, but Spider kind of opened that window for us, albeit briefly. (And this will be brief)

To chang: In Longhorn's game, you brought up the fact that you've used your self vote countless times, and this is the first time it's become an issue. While I could argue against that to an extent, it isn't what I'm getting at. It's the fact that you yourself committed a very similar offense (for lack of a better word) in this game wherein you tried to place far more stock in my SPV than was called for, simply because my SPV was for you. I'm not sure where the idea that an SPV has any specific motivation beyond its intended purpose came from, but that simply isn't the case for most people. That sounds like more of a gamble than anything else, and I would disagree with its use in trying to ferret out a potential wolf.

In this instance, I'd say your theory was even more far-fetched than what was tried against you, because SPV is a common thing for nearly every player, not just one (you with "chang logic"). We can discuss this elsewhere if needed, but I just wanted to point that out.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 03:16PM Aug 29, 2013

Why didn't you guys join LH's game?

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:50PM Aug 29, 2013

I don't know, he somehow is still referencing me voting him (after his cavalcade of horrible choices) like Im supposed to feel bad.

I don't really have to defend my choices too much though seeing as how my voting pattern for Rd2 was:

Scrub -> 21K -> Cab -> Chang
(wolf1 -> wolf2 -> Wolf3 -> NeedsAttention )

while his was
(seer's human div -> seer himself -> NeedsAttention)

If he would have settled down for 2 seconds and said...hmmmm..the whole game isnt about me and my wacky antics....Rd2 would have been quite a bit easier


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changhill*us


Posted: 03:51PM Aug 29, 2013

Spider, you're right it's a cheap tactical advantage. Happy? Do you want some kinda of award or medal? Until people are willing to take that advantage away from me, then I am gonna keep taking it while I can. You can criticize the strategy all you want, but if you're gonna sabotage yourself to the point where you're no longer playing the game, then don't blame me for that.

As far as it being ineffective, none of yall have offered proof that it's detrimental. You talk about what if's and could be's. I only have ONE vote, and if you're gonna blame me for the way my one compared to the others, then you need to talk to the other 13, 11, 9, 7, etc players that somehow give more meaning to my vote than their collective ones.

I am not even upset that I was shot this game. And if you didn't think I knew what I was doing you're wrong. I had all three wolves in 4 picks at the time of my death.


*rawr*
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:55PM Aug 29, 2013

So you had Cab as a wolf...at the time of your death....and voted yourself?

I'm not even sure how often I talked about your play being detrimental, I just pointed out how egocentric every single aspect of your play is and how obnoxious it is.

And I didnt sabotage myself, you SERIOUSLY need to get over yourself, I shot a sulker/attention seeker on principle, and Id do it again (in Rd 2) at least.


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changhill*us


Posted: 04:03PM Aug 29, 2013

@df, I wasn't upset with your SPV against me. I did my read and tell on you and something seemed off. Which meant that you were either wolf or seer. So when I made my guesses of all the roles, I didn't have the seer (who I thought was sirhar or you), but had all three wolves and you (when I made my guess).

I am happy to discuss anything with you. . A brief summery of my views on SPV.

People need to be decisive and make strong majorities, don't be afraid of failing or shooting the wrong person. You only have to be like 20% right and you can still win the game. SPV leads the mind set that once you vote your civic duty is done (in most cases upto round three). At that point can you really say that you're playing the game if people are just systematically voting eachother hoping that theres and inactive to gang up on? So I am in the minority when I go wolf hunting round 1 and I can understand people's unease about it. SO like I tell everyone don't let my 2-person majority rule the game. I am always open to opinions and options.


*rawr*
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changhill*us


Posted: 04:08PM Aug 29, 2013

Spider there's nothing egocentric about me. I am not sure at what point I rubbed you the wrong way. If people express an idea, comment, etc towards me. I will kindly address it. I am not seeking any attention, especially from you. If you find me to be such, ignore everything I say, I'll be none the wiser. Talk behind my back, I really don't care. But we're both adults, and we can make decisions for ourselves. But you seem to be one of the few who are letting my decision effect them.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:10PM Aug 29, 2013

Everything about you is egocentric

and anyone who reads round 2 (of either game) knows it, but i guess it must be a coincedence that both people who voted for you (dfam and then Harry) were 'wolfish'


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dfamina


Posted: 04:19PM Aug 29, 2013

I agree with you, chang, and I'll admit that I've been guilty of SPV'ing and -only- SPV'ing in the first round or two from time to time. That seems to be par for the course during the rounds in which we have little or nothing to go on. My issue was that it seemed like you thought my SPV for you had a hidden motive, or more of a reason than simply protecting the Seer. I try not to SPV for the same folks over and over, because I've seen people use that as a crutch when accused of wolfishness. (i.e. "I always SPV for username, so this time is clearly no different") Also, you'll get the less common "Why always me?" approach from a few folks.

I'll say this much. For future reference, if I have any reason to vote someone besides SPV, I'll let everyone know, even if it's just "Yeah, he's right." Only real exception was the last round of this game. Scrub mentioned (and we've all seen) that deb will not claim human if she isn't one. An unfortunate compulsion of hers, because she's transparent from the get-go. However, in situations like this one, it helps, and I needed no strategizing to pick the right candidate. (Sorry, scrubs)


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changhill*us


Posted: 04:20PM Aug 29, 2013

Spider, why did you divine df round 1?

*rawr*
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:23PM Aug 29, 2013

Cause

A) I had the slightest suspicoun on him

but mostly

B) I felt he would be likely to survive deep into the game (by luck he did)

but it could have been any number of people, I moved from Jayo to Scrub to 4demo to Dfam, and with a 5 way tie it seemed like a stable choice by the end


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changhill*us


Posted: 04:27PM Aug 29, 2013

I had the same slight suspicion, and because I don't have any seering abilities, I was gonna take the shot. You can't fault me for shooting someone you seered.

*rawr*
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:34PM Aug 29, 2013

No your right, that was mainly just to mock you, unfairly perhaps, sorry. However my suspicion wasn't based on a harmless SPV that happened to be for me.

Which is funny, I get called arrogant, which though I do have a tendency to say things without thinking (which I actually am working on) I never have a 'revenge' vote mentality (plenty of people seem to). I always make a logical, measured approach to everyone I vote for, and I NEVER fail to vote. This doesnt apply to you I guess I just laugh when the same people trash me for not being a "team player", when I'm easily one of the most dependable, reliable people to play with, and I almost always give everyone I vote for a fair shake

It is what it is


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changhill*us


Posted: 07:20PM Aug 29, 2013

I've told you before spider, I think you're a great player. I just don't play the same game as you and never will unless I get hit hard on the head.

I wish I could put into words what I find suspect, but I am being honest when I mention gut-feelings and "chang" logic... I am accurate with my gut-feelings. That's why I try to make it a point to offer more reasoning past round 3 when there is more tangible evidence...


*rawr*
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caberetAus


Posted: 08:11PM Aug 30, 2013

Ah phooey. Oh well, wolves can't win em all. (Or ever if I'm one!)

Thank you Smithy for a great moderation!


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 10:03AM Sep 2, 2013

you people ate me

Thanks smithy.


Fearless.
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