The Werewolf Game
Game #3201: Werewolf Game
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This game finished in 8 rounds.
What a quick night. Welcome to the last round. BEGIN . .. .
Beware. It only takes 2 votes for someone to be shot. Vote carefully.
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Ooooooh! Nice!
Beware. It only takes 2 votes for someone to be shot. Vote carefully.
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Ooooooh! Nice!
Wow
Been a long time since Ive been genuinlly shocked in wwg. Brillaint play by Deb/Jayo, but I think eating Froggy gave you an easier win (cat loves voting me)
Froggy's word is worth its weight in gold, I'm going to vote Jayo.
Froggy, Jayo's tactic will be to tell you Im 'trying to get you on my side' or some such by 'knowing' you are human. We both know your word is your word, so until I am burned by it, you are human.
I wont talk your head off about obscure reasons I am human, but will say......
Night 5 timing out was perfectly legitimate, Night 4 was not. For reasons, some valid, some not, Jayo has timed out several nights in recent games. I rarely, if ever do.
Any questions Ill be glad to answer, but the rest is up to you....
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Been a long time since Ive been genuinlly shocked in wwg. Brillaint play by Deb/Jayo, but I think eating Froggy gave you an easier win (cat loves voting me)
Froggy's word is worth its weight in gold, I'm going to vote Jayo.
Froggy, Jayo's tactic will be to tell you Im 'trying to get you on my side' or some such by 'knowing' you are human. We both know your word is your word, so until I am burned by it, you are human.
I wont talk your head off about obscure reasons I am human, but will say......
Night 5 timing out was perfectly legitimate, Night 4 was not. For reasons, some valid, some not, Jayo has timed out several nights in recent games. I rarely, if ever do.
Any questions Ill be glad to answer, but the rest is up to you....
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Therre's one thing I had in my mind I wished I pointed out. Jayo took umbridge wath LogRog complaining that we trust people who shoot wolves, I think he had it his head to take advantage of that by voting Deb the way he did......anyway....let me know how i can help
(actually I am completely wrong about this, but it's better to own up to it myself then have it pointed out, just a mistake on my part )
(also since you are on and not shooting Jayo...you now cant be the wolf)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
(actually I am completely wrong about this, but it's better to own up to it myself then have it pointed out, just a mistake on my part )
(also since you are on and not shooting Jayo...you now cant be the wolf)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I knew immediately upon clicking my post that it was not the right vote. At least the remaining wolf did not draw this game out even more. I am absolutely not surprised that Cat was eaten since he was the only true known human as evidenced by his being divined by our Seer.
So, now I have to vote for either Spidey or Jayo. Not a choice I really want to make. Both were on at the end of the last round which is not a bit surprising.
I know that I am 100% Human and I thought Spidey was as well. Fat seemed like the logical choice and really helped the wolves along. Too bad he did not continue to play in a game he signed up to play...
Which ever one of you two are the last remaining wolf, I have to say well played. Your letting the nights time out in order to match Fat's not logging in was very smart - and sneaky.
I've played in games with both of you and have been burned by both of you in situations similar to this. (sigh)
Obviously, you will both vote for each other leaving that final vote in my hands. Therefore, I'm holding off until I hear closing arguments from both of you.
Let the proceedings continue and I, as the jury, will attempt to weigh the comments and come back (hopefully) with the correct wolf vote.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
So, now I have to vote for either Spidey or Jayo. Not a choice I really want to make. Both were on at the end of the last round which is not a bit surprising.
I know that I am 100% Human and I thought Spidey was as well. Fat seemed like the logical choice and really helped the wolves along. Too bad he did not continue to play in a game he signed up to play...
Which ever one of you two are the last remaining wolf, I have to say well played. Your letting the nights time out in order to match Fat's not logging in was very smart - and sneaky.
I've played in games with both of you and have been burned by both of you in situations similar to this. (sigh)
Obviously, you will both vote for each other leaving that final vote in my hands. Therefore, I'm holding off until I hear closing arguments from both of you.
Let the proceedings continue and I, as the jury, will attempt to weigh the comments and come back (hopefully) with the correct wolf vote.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Cool...these are the moments I play for
I will do that but it might not be for a little bit, Im occupied sorta atm
(evidence added as I review)
Round 1
Spider is human
Almost no evidence
Jayo is a wolf
Very litte, but there are two very slight things.
Harry was the first to vote MDC 'with purpose' when Jayo was still in a plurality. This doesnt mean a whole lot, but we know Harry was a wolf, so him voting MDC, subtly adding the word 'no show' MDC to prod others along, can be seen as a move to protect Jayo.
Also, I mentioned earlier. Jayo got upset at Fathead for voting him, I pointed out how Jayo has no room to complain since he put Fat in a majoity in Rd 1 just last game (you can confirm if youd like). It was pretty odd for Jayo to think I was talking about his Fathead vote in Round 4 of last game (it makes sense if you read the context of this Round 1). I would write it off as nothing, but could just be one of those weird wolf responses
Round 2 (I think this round will make or break me because there are a lot of moments that look bad for me if im being honest, meanwhile Jayo has voted Deb under little need....if you can give me the benefit of the doubt here I think I can win you over, but I acknowledge this is tough)
Spider is human
You could argue this is actually wolfish, but in my very first post I mention only Deb/Jayo...I know..I know...that could look bad, but I have valid reasons for why I thought the way I did (Deb lingering...I simply misread the significance) Jayo as I just repeated (the Fathead thing).
I think everything comes down to how you analyze Deb and I's interactions at the end of the round (with Harry on as well) Keep in mind, I REALLY did put myself in the line of fite (trace the voting lists and my post) In doing so I actually put BOTH me and Deb in harms way by changing my vote. As a wolf this is totally needless.
The end of round dialouge, I would hope you would interpret as human, or else Deb, Harry, and I were really pouring it on thick.....but I realize this round is tough...I cringed a couple times looking at my defense of Deb, and Harry's defense of me (to Hydra )
-final note- from a tactical perspective, Deb should NOT have joined my vote as it only creates more danger of a rouge coming in and tying one of us at the end
Jayo is a wolf
This might be Jayo's finest hour and it's a really tough nut to crack. He goes for Deb as a "no show" however. relatively quickly. This is the toughest hurdle for me to climb but Im keeping at it.
There's almost nothing to point to Jayo being a wolf in Round 2 after final review. It was just masterfully played, can't hate on it.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I will do that but it might not be for a little bit, Im occupied sorta atm
(evidence added as I review)
Round 1
Spider is human
Almost no evidence
Jayo is a wolf
Very litte, but there are two very slight things.
Harry was the first to vote MDC 'with purpose' when Jayo was still in a plurality. This doesnt mean a whole lot, but we know Harry was a wolf, so him voting MDC, subtly adding the word 'no show' MDC to prod others along, can be seen as a move to protect Jayo.
Also, I mentioned earlier. Jayo got upset at Fathead for voting him, I pointed out how Jayo has no room to complain since he put Fat in a majoity in Rd 1 just last game (you can confirm if youd like). It was pretty odd for Jayo to think I was talking about his Fathead vote in Round 4 of last game (it makes sense if you read the context of this Round 1). I would write it off as nothing, but could just be one of those weird wolf responses
Round 2 (I think this round will make or break me because there are a lot of moments that look bad for me if im being honest, meanwhile Jayo has voted Deb under little need....if you can give me the benefit of the doubt here I think I can win you over, but I acknowledge this is tough)
Spider is human
You could argue this is actually wolfish, but in my very first post I mention only Deb/Jayo...I know..I know...that could look bad, but I have valid reasons for why I thought the way I did (Deb lingering...I simply misread the significance) Jayo as I just repeated (the Fathead thing).
I think everything comes down to how you analyze Deb and I's interactions at the end of the round (with Harry on as well) Keep in mind, I REALLY did put myself in the line of fite (trace the voting lists and my post) In doing so I actually put BOTH me and Deb in harms way by changing my vote. As a wolf this is totally needless.
The end of round dialouge, I would hope you would interpret as human, or else Deb, Harry, and I were really pouring it on thick.....but I realize this round is tough...I cringed a couple times looking at my defense of Deb, and Harry's defense of me (to Hydra )
-final note- from a tactical perspective, Deb should NOT have joined my vote as it only creates more danger of a rouge coming in and tying one of us at the end
Jayo is a wolf
This might be Jayo's finest hour and it's a really tough nut to crack. He goes for Deb as a "no show" however. relatively quickly. This is the toughest hurdle for me to climb but Im keeping at it.
There's almost nothing to point to Jayo being a wolf in Round 2 after final review. It was just masterfully played, can't hate on it.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Spidey, you posted while I was typing the above post.
As far as helping me to decide, if you could please point out the specific issues that made you feel Jayo was a wolf that I may have missed.
I'm going to go back and really study the comments and voting patterns of all concerned and see if I can spot anything that will help.
Edit: You did it again!
Love your presented evidence thus far...
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SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
As far as helping me to decide, if you could please point out the specific issues that made you feel Jayo was a wolf that I may have missed.
I'm going to go back and really study the comments and voting patterns of all concerned and see if I can spot anything that will help.
Edit: You did it again!
Love your presented evidence thus far...
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SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Before I dive in, I acknowledge this is a tough one, Jayo did well...but Ill do my best
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Woah! This could be setting a new record for consecutive short rounds!!
So Froggy not ending the round confirms the wolf, now if only he knew it!
Well, yeah this has caught me a little off guard and sadly I don't have anything super prepared like Spid does
I'm a little surprised that you could find anything remotely wolfy about my play - looking back the best thing for a furry Jayo to do would have been to vote Fathead over Deb in that close run thing and launch us right into must lynch
As Spider alluded to, Cat would probably have led a charge against him in the must lynch so all in all that would have been the thing to do, would even have kept the blood of my paws if I was a wolf too
But Deb's posts had been bugging me and I feel she feigns a degree of confusion when she is a wolf which is the main thing that tipped me off on her
Her suicide now makes even less sense however
It's been an interesting game - the only thing that tipped me off about Spider being a wolf was the seemingly (though not to me, I missed it!) calling out of the Seer and the casual, lead the ship home Harry which struck me as a little forced but didn't read too much into it at the time.
Yep, Spid called it that he was keeping you onside by declaring with full faith your lack of fur, but given your relatively quiet game I couldn't understand the surety of it until it became obvious he had fur
Well, have a reread Froggy and good luck - I hate being in this position so I don't envy ya!
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
So Froggy not ending the round confirms the wolf, now if only he knew it!
Well, yeah this has caught me a little off guard and sadly I don't have anything super prepared like Spid does
I'm a little surprised that you could find anything remotely wolfy about my play - looking back the best thing for a furry Jayo to do would have been to vote Fathead over Deb in that close run thing and launch us right into must lynch
As Spider alluded to, Cat would probably have led a charge against him in the must lynch so all in all that would have been the thing to do, would even have kept the blood of my paws if I was a wolf too
But Deb's posts had been bugging me and I feel she feigns a degree of confusion when she is a wolf which is the main thing that tipped me off on her
Her suicide now makes even less sense however
It's been an interesting game - the only thing that tipped me off about Spider being a wolf was the seemingly (though not to me, I missed it!) calling out of the Seer and the casual, lead the ship home Harry which struck me as a little forced but didn't read too much into it at the time.
Yep, Spid called it that he was keeping you onside by declaring with full faith your lack of fur, but given your relatively quiet game I couldn't understand the surety of it until it became obvious he had fur
Well, have a reread Froggy and good luck - I hate being in this position so I don't envy ya!
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
To break up the monotony
Round 3 going through now....the Hydra eating still appears to be a catastophric eating choice....I really can't fathom it
Spider is human
I was leaning human on Deb at this point, becauase she 'hung Harry's certificate (human)' so I was semi relying on that. Obviously a misjudgement. At the end of the round its 3-3-3 Deb/Jayo/Hoo. I pressed forward with a Jayo vote because Hoo was oddly insistent on voting Jayo (I thought he might be seer and thus justified the risk of getting killed himself by shooting his known wolf) I very briefly pushed Jayo in the lead, but balked immeadeatly cause I felt bad If Im protecting Deb I would have been best served keeping my vote on Jayo
Jayo is a wolf
This one requires some faith in me, but one of my gut reads on Jayo is he tends to squeeze in generic bolierplate comments as a wolf. He posts 'good chance a wolf or two was in the mix last round' Note that I immeadeatly called that into question (but stopped short of trusting my gut ) that's one of the few Jayo 'wolf reads' from a purely pattern recognition focus I can find so far
It is a little out of character for Deb to stick with her SPV, that became a very aggressive very early majority on Dr Hoo. She tends to balk at pushing someone into danger on so little...as a human at least...note this is when it was DrHoo 3 Jayo 3
I hate to use mod posts, but the 'bad luck humans' immeadetly made me think we were close, it looks now like we were doubly close
Round 4 The infamous seer round, you have to understand...whether you agree or not....Im somewhat a student of the game , so I have a clear position on what the seer's role is that differs from your view. You seem to value seer secrecy at all cost, I value risk/reward information sharing, thus you might view my actions in round 4 through a different lens than I do...just keep that in mind on reread.
Spider is human
This round is recent enough I shoot from the hip about....I had explained why I thought the seer should consider revealing info. Sexy posted something that seemed vaguely like he had divined a werewolf. He soon after, posted a fairly obvious Harry divination. Realizing that the wolves were now locked onto him as seer, I tried to prod him to reveal more without being too direct about it (cause it seemed people hadn't picked up on it as quickly as I did) Without some prodding, we may have lost 2 human divinations.
The rest of the round is pretty inconsequential.
Jayo is a wolf
Nothing in this round to suggest Jayo is a wolf
Round 5 I think since is my best foundation for being seen as human, ironically, as I pressed for the Fathead shooting, but really I think this round will save me if nothing else will
Spider is human
Im gonna shoot from the hip again so give me leeway in case something is not quite 100% accurate. As you have said, you felt very strongly that Fat was a wolf, so it should ring true to you that I was strongly suspicious of Fat too. I spent the round, esenntially writing a disertation on why Deb was a wolf (I reviewed the whole game to prove it...to what end if I am a wolf as I didnt even end up bussing her? ) I also quickly dismiss the possibility you could be a wolf (notice Jayo was not so keen to do that) he will try to paint this as suspicious, but your reputation is ironclad, I essentially cleared an additional human in a very tight spot (and spent the rest of the round essentially proving that Deb/Jayo could not be a team) What could I possibly gain from doing this as a wolf, to spend all my energy convincing people that I had to be the last wolf?
I don't know what to say here, I'm hoping my words/behavior ring true to you as human
Jayo is a wolf
merged all my thougts into the above
Round 6
As I said, Night 4 needed to time out (thanks Fathead ) and it really did seem Deb just surrendered him to us...good play Deb... NIGHT 4 DID NOT. I do not time out night unneccesarily, Jayo has! It is only an extremely lucky coincidence FatHead dissapeared afterwards to make it seem he left the game and the night to time out.
Nothing much to say here, you will learn soon Jayo's triple promises are worth nothing (regardless of our fate)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Round 3 going through now....the Hydra eating still appears to be a catastophric eating choice....I really can't fathom it
Spider is human
I was leaning human on Deb at this point, becauase she 'hung Harry's certificate (human)' so I was semi relying on that. Obviously a misjudgement. At the end of the round its 3-3-3 Deb/Jayo/Hoo. I pressed forward with a Jayo vote because Hoo was oddly insistent on voting Jayo (I thought he might be seer and thus justified the risk of getting killed himself by shooting his known wolf) I very briefly pushed Jayo in the lead, but balked immeadeatly cause I felt bad If Im protecting Deb I would have been best served keeping my vote on Jayo
Jayo is a wolf
This one requires some faith in me, but one of my gut reads on Jayo is he tends to squeeze in generic bolierplate comments as a wolf. He posts 'good chance a wolf or two was in the mix last round' Note that I immeadeatly called that into question (but stopped short of trusting my gut ) that's one of the few Jayo 'wolf reads' from a purely pattern recognition focus I can find so far
It is a little out of character for Deb to stick with her SPV, that became a very aggressive very early majority on Dr Hoo. She tends to balk at pushing someone into danger on so little...as a human at least...note this is when it was DrHoo 3 Jayo 3
I hate to use mod posts, but the 'bad luck humans' immeadetly made me think we were close, it looks now like we were doubly close
Round 4 The infamous seer round, you have to understand...whether you agree or not....Im somewhat a student of the game , so I have a clear position on what the seer's role is that differs from your view. You seem to value seer secrecy at all cost, I value risk/reward information sharing, thus you might view my actions in round 4 through a different lens than I do...just keep that in mind on reread.
Spider is human
This round is recent enough I shoot from the hip about....I had explained why I thought the seer should consider revealing info. Sexy posted something that seemed vaguely like he had divined a werewolf. He soon after, posted a fairly obvious Harry divination. Realizing that the wolves were now locked onto him as seer, I tried to prod him to reveal more without being too direct about it (cause it seemed people hadn't picked up on it as quickly as I did) Without some prodding, we may have lost 2 human divinations.
The rest of the round is pretty inconsequential.
Jayo is a wolf
Nothing in this round to suggest Jayo is a wolf
Round 5 I think since is my best foundation for being seen as human, ironically, as I pressed for the Fathead shooting, but really I think this round will save me if nothing else will
Spider is human
Im gonna shoot from the hip again so give me leeway in case something is not quite 100% accurate. As you have said, you felt very strongly that Fat was a wolf, so it should ring true to you that I was strongly suspicious of Fat too. I spent the round, esenntially writing a disertation on why Deb was a wolf (I reviewed the whole game to prove it...to what end if I am a wolf as I didnt even end up bussing her? ) I also quickly dismiss the possibility you could be a wolf (notice Jayo was not so keen to do that) he will try to paint this as suspicious, but your reputation is ironclad, I essentially cleared an additional human in a very tight spot (and spent the rest of the round essentially proving that Deb/Jayo could not be a team) What could I possibly gain from doing this as a wolf, to spend all my energy convincing people that I had to be the last wolf?
I don't know what to say here, I'm hoping my words/behavior ring true to you as human
Jayo is a wolf
merged all my thougts into the above
Round 6
As I said, Night 4 needed to time out (thanks Fathead ) and it really did seem Deb just surrendered him to us...good play Deb... NIGHT 4 DID NOT. I do not time out night unneccesarily, Jayo has! It is only an extremely lucky coincidence FatHead dissapeared afterwards to make it seem he left the game and the night to time out.
Nothing much to say here, you will learn soon Jayo's triple promises are worth nothing (regardless of our fate)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
....will offer summation soon....
There was very little that is persuasive in Round 1 so it can probably be ignored. Round 2 is toughest for me to defend, but if you havent given up on me after Round 2 than I think we can do this! Jayo plays a nearly flawless round as a wolf, I gotta just admit that. My bullet point for the round is that I REALLY did put both Deb and I in very real danger of being shot (I didn't expect to make it back to the round, fortunatly I was able to) at the very least weigh that. Note the really over the top dialogue between Deb/Harry and myself at the end. There is bussing/wolf interaction and then there is just hamming it up. Asking Harry to captain the ship is just way to hokey for me, I mean I'd shoot myself if I ever did that as a wolf.
Round 3, I guess is a mixed bag....in the end I decided ahainst voting Jayo (sparing Deb?) and left the tie 3-3-3, Jayo then broke it (understanbly so haha). Turns out this was the pivotal moment of the game....this doesn't help you make a decision but there it is anyway
Round 4, You are at worst, a 50% shot from winning us the game, what were our odds at the start of round 4?
Round 5 - If you read this round and think I'm a wolf then there's not much I can do since this is my best round oddly enough. I'd be happy to analyze this round further if you can stand it
Round 6/7: Not much, anything I can say is not persuasive to anyone who doesnt already know I'm human
Sorry Froggy, the wolves played like the Golden State Warriors in this one, I'm offering you the best I got.....
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
There was very little that is persuasive in Round 1 so it can probably be ignored. Round 2 is toughest for me to defend, but if you havent given up on me after Round 2 than I think we can do this! Jayo plays a nearly flawless round as a wolf, I gotta just admit that. My bullet point for the round is that I REALLY did put both Deb and I in very real danger of being shot (I didn't expect to make it back to the round, fortunatly I was able to) at the very least weigh that. Note the really over the top dialogue between Deb/Harry and myself at the end. There is bussing/wolf interaction and then there is just hamming it up. Asking Harry to captain the ship is just way to hokey for me, I mean I'd shoot myself if I ever did that as a wolf.
Round 3, I guess is a mixed bag....in the end I decided ahainst voting Jayo (sparing Deb?) and left the tie 3-3-3, Jayo then broke it (understanbly so haha). Turns out this was the pivotal moment of the game....this doesn't help you make a decision but there it is anyway
Round 4, You are at worst, a 50% shot from winning us the game, what were our odds at the start of round 4?
Round 5 - If you read this round and think I'm a wolf then there's not much I can do since this is my best round oddly enough. I'd be happy to analyze this round further if you can stand it
Round 6/7: Not much, anything I can say is not persuasive to anyone who doesnt already know I'm human
Sorry Froggy, the wolves played like the Golden State Warriors in this one, I'm offering you the best I got.....
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The_Spider wrote:
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Gee Spider, I know you want to bring the W home for the Wolves, but this made me smile!
Who are you trying to convince, Froggy or yourself
I have no reason to gun for Deb, as I was dong before the Seer reveal and after and with a wolf down, there is no margin in it.
This is only magnified by my only moving my vote off Deb to Hoo for self preservation as I was put in a maj for nonsense reasons and further backed up by not moving onto Fat to put us into LYLO (as I've mentioned) and letting the accusations fly. You seen how quick the last round ended,one mistake and LYLO in this scenario could have given the wolves an easy finish.
Spid was super quick to vote here also despite claiming that it was a tough decision - but his material is prepared and maybe the rush of voting so quick last round (day and night!) he couldn't help it
Rereading I notice that at varying times he pointed out he thought both of us were human, I simply think the plan was to see who he could build a better case against, or have a better chance to influence at end game
There is just no way I am partnered with Deb, there is no margin to play that way in a game with no Seer and LYLO beckoning if we were on the same team. My pressure on her drove her to give up and fall on her sword - at the time I thought it was a bad play to protect Fathead, but there might have been a deeper reason that I can't fathom
The repeated mantra of "Spider is Human, Jayo is Wolf" just brings a certain phrase to mind: "He doth protest too much"
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Spider is human
Jayo is a wolf
Gee Spider, I know you want to bring the W home for the Wolves, but this made me smile!
Who are you trying to convince, Froggy or yourself
I have no reason to gun for Deb, as I was dong before the Seer reveal and after and with a wolf down, there is no margin in it.
This is only magnified by my only moving my vote off Deb to Hoo for self preservation as I was put in a maj for nonsense reasons and further backed up by not moving onto Fat to put us into LYLO (as I've mentioned) and letting the accusations fly. You seen how quick the last round ended,one mistake and LYLO in this scenario could have given the wolves an easy finish.
Spid was super quick to vote here also despite claiming that it was a tough decision - but his material is prepared and maybe the rush of voting so quick last round (day and night!) he couldn't help it
Rereading I notice that at varying times he pointed out he thought both of us were human, I simply think the plan was to see who he could build a better case against, or have a better chance to influence at end game
There is just no way I am partnered with Deb, there is no margin to play that way in a game with no Seer and LYLO beckoning if we were on the same team. My pressure on her drove her to give up and fall on her sword - at the time I thought it was a bad play to protect Fathead, but there might have been a deeper reason that I can't fathom
The repeated mantra of "Spider is Human, Jayo is Wolf" just brings a certain phrase to mind: "He doth protest too much"
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
That's a simple formatting issue to structure my extremely long post, your just spinning propoganda
will address the bulk of your post
As I said, this was a Herculean effort, I give you credit for it, but there are always things wolves never do, I think Round 5 is the key to the kingdom. I will say wolves in the end game like to be coy, they always have that little eye roll and 'can you believe this guy' type attitude to the opposing posts. You definitly are hitting that note....but onto the issue at hand...Why was it 'your pressure' on Deb that gets credit for making her fall on her own sword it seems Cab's impending vote did that. It was painfully obvious in Round 6 Fat was the best vote, only a wolf needs to pretend any thought was needed for that vote. (obviously the obvious answer is not always the right one). I was super quick to vote for YOU Jayo, It IS a tough decision for FROGGY, not for me
(also wolves ALMOST ALWAYS hem and haul in must lynch, they are NEVER as decisive as I was.....since Froggy didnt kill you straight away we then both 'knew' she was human, and you could place your vote quickly after)
You actully bring up a dangerous point about margin in Round 5. There are MANY examples of wolves bussing eachother in the round before must lynch.....I will show you one
Spider Busses HABS
the humans didnt fall for it though ....
I would hinge my defense on
A) While you did vote Deb, I rescinded a Hydra vote to put ME and DEB in great danger (this made it 3 Deb - 2 Spider - 2 Hydra iirc) Any credit you get for Deb in Round 2 can be said of me. If you are to be believed, I risked TWO wolf lives, at the tail end of the round, where is the margin in that? (I made it back with 17 minutes to spare so this was not some elaborate ruse)
B) Night 4 timeout for no need (only sheer luck made it appear needed)
C) Everything I did in Round 5 (which Im happy to break into in greater detail if froggy can stomach anymore haha) For all your 'pressure' I actually spent the round trying to prove Deb was a wolf (with Fat unfortunatly) Deb would kill me if I bussed her BY calling out her not saying she's human
D) If Im a wolf, I can play dumb about Froggy's 'self clear' you (atleast indicated) round 5 your thought she was probably a wolf, so why would I clear her 5 minutes into this round, thus eliminating any and all confusion, and forcing all your efforts agains me? (I mean it was possible you were going to shoot Froggy this round before she became clear?)
Ill say this even though it further incriminates me, the eating choice of Hydra now appears unimaginably awful, I'd like to see how those votes broke down after
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
will address the bulk of your post
As I said, this was a Herculean effort, I give you credit for it, but there are always things wolves never do, I think Round 5 is the key to the kingdom. I will say wolves in the end game like to be coy, they always have that little eye roll and 'can you believe this guy' type attitude to the opposing posts. You definitly are hitting that note....but onto the issue at hand...Why was it 'your pressure' on Deb that gets credit for making her fall on her own sword it seems Cab's impending vote did that. It was painfully obvious in Round 6 Fat was the best vote, only a wolf needs to pretend any thought was needed for that vote. (obviously the obvious answer is not always the right one). I was super quick to vote for YOU Jayo, It IS a tough decision for FROGGY, not for me
(also wolves ALMOST ALWAYS hem and haul in must lynch, they are NEVER as decisive as I was.....since Froggy didnt kill you straight away we then both 'knew' she was human, and you could place your vote quickly after)
You actully bring up a dangerous point about margin in Round 5. There are MANY examples of wolves bussing eachother in the round before must lynch.....I will show you one
Spider Busses HABS
the humans didnt fall for it though ....
I would hinge my defense on
A) While you did vote Deb, I rescinded a Hydra vote to put ME and DEB in great danger (this made it 3 Deb - 2 Spider - 2 Hydra iirc) Any credit you get for Deb in Round 2 can be said of me. If you are to be believed, I risked TWO wolf lives, at the tail end of the round, where is the margin in that? (I made it back with 17 minutes to spare so this was not some elaborate ruse)
B) Night 4 timeout for no need (only sheer luck made it appear needed)
C) Everything I did in Round 5 (which Im happy to break into in greater detail if froggy can stomach anymore haha) For all your 'pressure' I actually spent the round trying to prove Deb was a wolf (with Fat unfortunatly) Deb would kill me if I bussed her BY calling out her not saying she's human
D) If Im a wolf, I can play dumb about Froggy's 'self clear' you (atleast indicated) round 5 your thought she was probably a wolf, so why would I clear her 5 minutes into this round, thus eliminating any and all confusion, and forcing all your efforts agains me? (I mean it was possible you were going to shoot Froggy this round before she became clear?)
Ill say this even though it further incriminates me, the eating choice of Hydra now appears unimaginably awful, I'd like to see how those votes broke down after
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Froggy, if you are looking for a Eureka! moment that uncovers Jayo as a wolf, you will not find it, he played exceptionally well. The case rests on you finding certain of my actions more human and natural than Jayos (and don't underestimate the end of round 2) Humans are bound to have change of thought and uncertainties, it is indeed odd for a human to play as strongly as Jayo seems to have.
Froggy, I will leave you be unless you ask for more input, if you should vote during the night, I don't hold it against you either way you vote, but there are some issues I really think I have raised that you should consider. This really is a tough one and you will go down in Braingle lore if you suss out Jayo, it is indeed a tough sell, I understand.
My final thoughts......I don't time out nights (see the game I linked) ! If you truly want revenge for the needless Night 4, shoot Jayo and you will have it Also, for whatever it may be worth, I promise I'm human
I'm not trying to overwhelm you I just don't want to get shot!!
good luck (but Im here if needed)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Froggy, I will leave you be unless you ask for more input, if you should vote during the night, I don't hold it against you either way you vote, but there are some issues I really think I have raised that you should consider. This really is a tough one and you will go down in Braingle lore if you suss out Jayo, it is indeed a tough sell, I understand.
My final thoughts......I don't time out nights (see the game I linked) ! If you truly want revenge for the needless Night 4, shoot Jayo and you will have it Also, for whatever it may be worth, I promise I'm human
I'm not trying to overwhelm you I just don't want to get shot!!
good luck (but Im here if needed)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Okay. I'm ready to vote and hope it is the winning vote for the Humans.
Spidey, I remembered a game wherein it was down to three people and you and I were two of those three. At that time, I had not played in many games with you and really didn't know you at all, so I really was stuck on who to vote for. In your final posts, you convinced me to trust you and vote for the other person left in the game. Almost immediately, I received a PM from you (probably the first one ever):
Bet you're surprised to see I still have it! I'm bad at finding time to delete PMs!
Even though I shouldn't trust you, I have come to know how you play and do believe you - most of the time. In the beginning of playing games together, I don't think either of us were too fond of the other, but that has changed into a sort of mutual respect.
Jayo, I have played a lot of games with you but I can never really read how you play nor do I ever know whether to believe you or not. For some reason, I keep thinking that I was a wolf in a game with you and I ended up being tossed under the bus with no help from my two fellow wolves who were still in the game - one of which was you.
So, I have reasons to not believe either of you.
That said, I'm going with my gut and trusting Spidey one more time. I will say that, if you have tricked me yet again as you did before (even though that was almost 2 years ago), I will never really trust you again. I truly hope that is not the scenario that transpires.
Here goes - voting for Jayo as the last wolf. I really do hate being in this position!
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Spidey, I remembered a game wherein it was down to three people and you and I were two of those three. At that time, I had not played in many games with you and really didn't know you at all, so I really was stuck on who to vote for. In your final posts, you convinced me to trust you and vote for the other person left in the game. Almost immediately, I received a PM from you (probably the first one ever):
From: The_Spider
To: froggygg
Date: Nov 22, 2014 050PM
sorry
good game, unlucky break haha
To: froggygg
Date: Nov 22, 2014 050PM
sorry
good game, unlucky break haha
Bet you're surprised to see I still have it! I'm bad at finding time to delete PMs!
Even though I shouldn't trust you, I have come to know how you play and do believe you - most of the time. In the beginning of playing games together, I don't think either of us were too fond of the other, but that has changed into a sort of mutual respect.
Jayo, I have played a lot of games with you but I can never really read how you play nor do I ever know whether to believe you or not. For some reason, I keep thinking that I was a wolf in a game with you and I ended up being tossed under the bus with no help from my two fellow wolves who were still in the game - one of which was you.
So, I have reasons to not believe either of you.
That said, I'm going with my gut and trusting Spidey one more time. I will say that, if you have tricked me yet again as you did before (even though that was almost 2 years ago), I will never really trust you again. I truly hope that is not the scenario that transpires.
Here goes - voting for Jayo as the last wolf. I really do hate being in this position!
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
No worries Frog, I am human.
I know the trepidation you are feeling hovering over that Save Vote button, it's Jayo....sorry about 2 years ago
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I know the trepidation you are feeling hovering over that Save Vote button, it's Jayo....sorry about 2 years ago
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Frogs, If are taking your time to reconsider that's cool, have all you need, but please don't leave it up to the computer, trust your gut, but even if you don't, at least cast a vote
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Don't worry, I'm not going to let the computer choose - that's the coward's way out.
I haven't voted before now because I have been going over and over all the rounds as well as reviewing a few other games in which Spidey and Jayo were wolves and I was also in those games. I actually found nothing to support my thoughts stated above as I saw "bussing" and posts just like in this game.
Another reason that I have not voted and why I will keep my original vote is due to a bit of misfortune and a lot of soul searching. The reason I delayed in my vote for Jayo immediately after I posted that I was voting for Jayo, was due to my not being 100% sure of that vote. Therefore, I decided to make dinner and put the game out of my mind for a little while.
When I came back on to vote, a PM was waiting for me. While it only contained one word, it was enough to make me rethink my choice as this PM came from someone already outside the game (will not name source). I did receive an apology and request to disregard the prior PM as this person thought I had voted for Jayo when I posted my last post and they "jumped the gun" in their one word comment to me. I truly do not feel this PM was sent in any attempt to influence my vote and was, indeed, nothing more than bad timing.
Therefore, no matter whether I would have changed my vote off of Jayo and onto Spider, I will not do so. I do not want any accusations of cheating from anyone nor do I want to wonder if that one word had influenced me in any way. Things just happen...
So, without further ado, voting my original vote for Jayo and truly hoping that I'm making the right choice - at least I know it was not an influenced vote.
Sorry if I am wrong and just lost the game for the Humans but I have to stand by my own principles.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
I haven't voted before now because I have been going over and over all the rounds as well as reviewing a few other games in which Spidey and Jayo were wolves and I was also in those games. I actually found nothing to support my thoughts stated above as I saw "bussing" and posts just like in this game.
Another reason that I have not voted and why I will keep my original vote is due to a bit of misfortune and a lot of soul searching. The reason I delayed in my vote for Jayo immediately after I posted that I was voting for Jayo, was due to my not being 100% sure of that vote. Therefore, I decided to make dinner and put the game out of my mind for a little while.
When I came back on to vote, a PM was waiting for me. While it only contained one word, it was enough to make me rethink my choice as this PM came from someone already outside the game (will not name source). I did receive an apology and request to disregard the prior PM as this person thought I had voted for Jayo when I posted my last post and they "jumped the gun" in their one word comment to me. I truly do not feel this PM was sent in any attempt to influence my vote and was, indeed, nothing more than bad timing.
Therefore, no matter whether I would have changed my vote off of Jayo and onto Spider, I will not do so. I do not want any accusations of cheating from anyone nor do I want to wonder if that one word had influenced me in any way. Things just happen...
So, without further ado, voting my original vote for Jayo and truly hoping that I'm making the right choice - at least I know it was not an influenced vote.
Sorry if I am wrong and just lost the game for the Humans but I have to stand by my own principles.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
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