The Werewolf Game
Game #3142: It's not far to never-never land
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This game finished in 5 rounds.
I was just catching up on the remainder of the round and poof we are in day
it's magic!!!
sorry to see slam, who was just a girl, go
bye chin, catch you later
your seer still lives
enjoy
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it's magic!!!
sorry to see slam, who was just a girl, go
bye chin, catch you later
your seer still lives
enjoy
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Will do some pondering
(just a note not an attempt to reengage the login issue) but I think most people consider using login times as related to night timing/duration only, but maybe I'm mistaken.
I found HABS pointing out Slamm's reaction seemed wolfish, without adjusting her vote in a dangerous 4-3 (iirc) situation, a little questionable
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(just a note not an attempt to reengage the login issue) but I think most people consider using login times as related to night timing/duration only, but maybe I'm mistaken.
I found HABS pointing out Slamm's reaction seemed wolfish, without adjusting her vote in a dangerous 4-3 (iirc) situation, a little questionable
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
It's possible the wolves suspected chunnie divined dawn as a wolf, that's really the only reason I could see chunnie being eaten for. Chunnie voted for me based on the presumption dawn was a wolf.
I actually thought of habs was more human for pointing slammn to be a wolf Since a wolf would know that in mere minutes, they would be shown to be wrong since slammn was human...The question is: would habs intentionally hurt her credibility like that needlessly?
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I actually thought of habs was more human for pointing slammn to be a wolf Since a wolf would know that in mere minutes, they would be shown to be wrong since slammn was human...The question is: would habs intentionally hurt her credibility like that needlessly?
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Yeah that's a good point, if Slamm was a wolf if might have mean something
I actually had HABS/Chunnie as one of the few likely possibilities for HABS (because of how she handled Jayo's comment in Rd 1) You don't often see wolves make "save this for later" type comments against other players so early. It only made sense if chunnie was a possible wolf and she was playing Jayo/Chunnie up a little.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I actually had HABS/Chunnie as one of the few likely possibilities for HABS (because of how she handled Jayo's comment in Rd 1) You don't often see wolves make "save this for later" type comments against other players so early. It only made sense if chunnie was a possible wolf and she was playing Jayo/Chunnie up a little.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
when I mean that initial comment Slam have not yet voted. I was watching the end of the round as I was awake and wasn't sure very many other people would be. I was actually very surprised she swam come on at that time of the morning. I felt that was highly unlikely anybody else will come on and create a 4 4 time again and its land was basically done having for votes while the other players still only had 3 each.
I will not claim to be human, but I will claim that I am "not a wolf".
Have a few things to take care of for the next couple hours, but will throw out a SPV for scrub even though I have no real reason to suspect the right now, until I get back.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I will not claim to be human, but I will claim that I am "not a wolf".
Have a few things to take care of for the next couple hours, but will throw out a SPV for scrub even though I have no real reason to suspect the right now, until I get back.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
We could actually take chunnie's human list to be fairly accurate if the wolves would waste an eat on him. Most of his list must be correct the wolves must have assumed he was the seer not-so-discreetly revealing his divs.
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I'm a little leary of being that aggressive with his list but it makes for a reasonable starting point
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I was online at the time slam came on and was going to make it a tie but I refrained myself because of Hab's comment. So if it was intentional, it worked. So I am voting her currently.
Chunnie's eating increases suspicion on u too harry. And all those humane ideas u r suddenly giving are increasing the suspicion further. My eyes are on you. Beware
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Chunnie's eating increases suspicion on u too harry. And all those humane ideas u r suddenly giving are increasing the suspicion further. My eyes are on you. Beware
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
The wolves wouldn't eat him if he was wrong to clear someone though. I'd say at the very least he was right about LH, and maybe scrubb being human. So I'd say it's safe to lean human when it comes to those two.
And not really, mnky He only voted for me because there was already a majority on me and I was part of his reduced list of suspects. It's more likely the wolves thought he divined either LH or scrub as human since he seemed pretty confident on those ones. Keep in mind, the seer would only have 1 divination by round 2.
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And not really, mnky He only voted for me because there was already a majority on me and I was part of his reduced list of suspects. It's more likely the wolves thought he divined either LH or scrub as human since he seemed pretty confident on those ones. Keep in mind, the seer would only have 1 divination by round 2.
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what do you think of Jayo right now Harry?
He's playing a very methodical game so far so it's tough to scare anything up either way, I'm notoriously bad at reading Jayo and if we are to lend creedence to either LHF/Scrubb being more likely human (good basis for that) it only leaves me with so many options.
Also, now that Bradon's immunity is off the table, we have to start considering her in more detail, perhaps i will run some pair analysis if there is time
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He's playing a very methodical game so far so it's tough to scare anything up either way, I'm notoriously bad at reading Jayo and if we are to lend creedence to either LHF/Scrubb being more likely human (good basis for that) it only leaves me with so many options.
Also, now that Bradon's immunity is off the table, we have to start considering her in more detail, perhaps i will run some pair analysis if there is time
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I need some light shed upon the matters by WWG experts.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
I'm glad to see the wolves are keeping the nights fairly short. I'm in the middle of cleaning my oven (yes, self-cleaning but still needs some manual labor)so I'll SPV for now since we still have our Seer, and come back later to read again last round and try and figure out why you seem to think LH and Scrub appear to be human.
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I'd say bobbi, LH, and maybe scrub are most likely human to me. I'm pretty sure spid is human too since if he was a wolf, I think he would have exploited the opportunity to get me shot. There was little incentive for him to step in to save me there. Also mnk's behavior rings mostly human to me. I think he would be a little less eager to provoke and draw attention to himself as he has if he was a wolf.
Those are just my thoughts so far. Concerning jayo, I can see him pairing up with a few of the remaining suspects. Though I don't think jayo/evi or jayo/bb would work. He hasn't done anything specifically wolfy yet, so I guess time will tell
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Those are just my thoughts so far. Concerning jayo, I can see him pairing up with a few of the remaining suspects. Though I don't think jayo/evi or jayo/bb would work. He hasn't done anything specifically wolfy yet, so I guess time will tell
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I'm not paired up with anyone
Slam was the right call, she would likely have bought a bullet in a later round anyways so better last round as opposed to round 4, 5 or 6
Well I guess I'd better chip in and help protect this Seer of ours with a semi-random vote
I will probably make a Deb list later, just watching RealMadrid v Juventus now
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Slam was the right call, she would likely have bought a bullet in a later round anyways so better last round as opposed to round 4, 5 or 6
Well I guess I'd better chip in and help protect this Seer of ours with a semi-random vote
I will probably make a Deb list later, just watching RealMadrid v Juventus now
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I could see a jayo/dawn pairing, actually
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gotta head out soon so not worth cracking open EXCEL, but there will be some charting to follow
things could get interesting
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things could get interesting
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Jayo wrote:
Slam was the right call, she would likely have bought a bullet in a later round anyways so better last round as opposed to round 4, 5 or 6
These words have made me vote you. Slamm could have escaped shooting with some activity from her side.
I just can't take away my eyes from harry. My vote may sway there later than sooner.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Slam was the right call, she would likely have bought a bullet in a later round anyways so better last round as opposed to round 4, 5 or 6
These words have made me vote you. Slamm could have escaped shooting with some activity from her side.
I just can't take away my eyes from harry. My vote may sway there later than sooner.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
mnkgyl wrote:
Why tie it up at the last few minutes? Constantly letting the computer decide is weak , or very wolfy as it seemingly absolves you all responsibility shooting a human.
Could you be a bit more vauge? which comment, and why would it make you rethink your plan,? especially, if as you say you think it was a Wolfie thing to do or say?
...well of course my comment was intentional, it is not as if I were posting in my sleep...
Not sure how much credibility or consideration we should really give Chun's list or the fact he was eatdn after posting it. While It is possible that he hit upon a wolf in that list, the Wolves would have to know that he'd only had time to divine one player and if there was a wolf in his list, it was most likely not the work of a seer, but blind luck.
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I was online at the time slam came on and was going to make it a tie
Why tie it up at the last few minutes? Constantly letting the computer decide is weak , or very wolfy as it seemingly absolves you all responsibility shooting a human.
but I refrained myself because of Hab's comment.
Could you be a bit more vauge? which comment, and why would it make you rethink your plan,? especially, if as you say you think it was a Wolfie thing to do or say?
So if it was intentional, it worked. So I am voting her currently.
...well of course my comment was intentional, it is not as if I were posting in my sleep...
Not sure how much credibility or consideration we should really give Chun's list or the fact he was eatdn after posting it. While It is possible that he hit upon a wolf in that list, the Wolves would have to know that he'd only had time to divine one player and if there was a wolf in his list, it was most likely not the work of a seer, but blind luck.
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Typing from phone, on way to bed, gonna vote who I find most suspicious that already have vote. Takes too long to explain on phone. Should be back in about 12 hours
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
chunnie wrote:
So, yeah... my thinking right now is dawnrising and HarryPutter. I have no significant reason for suspecting these (other than Spider's mention of Harry's loitering at the end of last round)... but Harry did state that there has to be at least one wolf in the cab scenario... dawnrising chose to stay with scrubb rather than vote Harry this round, stating clearly that he found Harry to be less suspicious... and neither of them voted cab last round... a loose connection at best, but that's the best I can come up with right now.
So, yeah... my thinking right now is dawnrising and HarryPutter. I have no significant reason for suspecting these (other than Spider's mention of Harry's loitering at the end of last round)... but Harry did state that there has to be at least one wolf in the cab scenario... dawnrising chose to stay with scrubb rather than vote Harry this round, stating clearly that he found Harry to be less suspicious... and neither of them voted cab last round... a loose connection at best, but that's the best I can come up with right now.
So... I'm switching to Harry... I could be wrong... very wrong... but I'm willing to try to find out.
In reaction to your earlier post Harry, correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell the only reason chunnie thought I was a wolf was because I was protecting you and I didn't vote cab. So she suspected you and I as a wolf pairing, and I doubt she would have really suspected me on my own (though, unfortunately, she isn't here to clear it up). We were two of six she didn't lean human on and the only reason she picked us to suspect the most was because we didn't vote cab or her in round one.
Besides, I'm not sure we should rely on chunnie's list too much. The wolves know the seer has only had one divining, it could be a decoy intended to throw us humans off the track. Just my two euros...
With 18 hrs left in the round, I'm going to leave you with an SPV and see what happens.
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DawnRising - for future reference Chunnie is male
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Oh sorry...I've had the same done to me...
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mnkgyl wrote:
I think I can understand where you are coming from Mnk, but my point is valid regardless of my role.
I would have gone after Slam even if I was a wolf, her lack of a vote was basically suicide amongst this group
It was better to be wrong about her now than later when rounds matter more - why would I bother going on a crusade to shoot her and in such an early round if it would draw unwarranted attention to myself?
I was comfortable with the call and I still am, just glad she wasn't the Seer
Evita wrote:
Revenge vote - simple
Deb list to be inserted here shortly...(rereading now)
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These words have made me vote you. Slamm could have escaped shooting with some activity from her side.
I think I can understand where you are coming from Mnk, but my point is valid regardless of my role.
I would have gone after Slam even if I was a wolf, her lack of a vote was basically suicide amongst this group
It was better to be wrong about her now than later when rounds matter more - why would I bother going on a crusade to shoot her and in such an early round if it would draw unwarranted attention to myself?
I was comfortable with the call and I still am, just glad she wasn't the Seer
Evita wrote:
gonna vote who I find most suspicious that already have vote. Takes too long to explain on phone
Revenge vote - simple
Deb list to be inserted here shortly...(rereading now)
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Not as productive as I thought, I prefer to keep my chart confidential until more developments occur (dont want to tip my hand just yet)
what I will say, I have ruled NO ONE out as partners with either Jayo or Bradon, Bradon has the Cab vote to her benefit but she did waffle in a hesitant busser fashion so she is a reasonable possibility.
Here's what I would point out.
Wolves would have been VERY UNLIKELY to be at odds with eachother last round. With one wolf dead so quickly, forming even a 2 person majority on a partner is very risky, so I was more liberal in ruling out players who put others in majorities at partners.
Harry and BB have the least amount of potential partners. Will try to figure out more as the round progressions and give a little closer look at past rounds. One advantage to the partnership in this case, is anyone who is partnered with BB we would have to evaluate in the context of
X - BB - CAB, which makes things a little more informative
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what I will say, I have ruled NO ONE out as partners with either Jayo or Bradon, Bradon has the Cab vote to her benefit but she did waffle in a hesitant busser fashion so she is a reasonable possibility.
Here's what I would point out.
Wolves would have been VERY UNLIKELY to be at odds with eachother last round. With one wolf dead so quickly, forming even a 2 person majority on a partner is very risky, so I was more liberal in ruling out players who put others in majorities at partners.
Harry and BB have the least amount of potential partners. Will try to figure out more as the round progressions and give a little closer look at past rounds. One advantage to the partnership in this case, is anyone who is partnered with BB we would have to evaluate in the context of
X - BB - CAB, which makes things a little more informative
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I didn't waffle, I was giving two ladies who happen to both be mothers, the benefit of the doubt on Mother's Day weekend. I will always vote an inactive in the first round and although I first felt it would be fair to let the computer pick between two inactives, I agreed that Cab would be the better choice given her history of late log ins.
I'm at the point of being irritated that this is being used against me.
Edit to add color and to reaffirm my SPV for now.
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I'm at the point of being irritated that this is being used against me.
Edit to add color and to reaffirm my SPV for now.
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Irritated....really?
I guess ill tiptoe on eggshells for a few more rounds about you, let me know when I am free to toss out ideas that dare even hint that you may be a wolf. Meanwhile I'll focus on people I'm allowed to suspect
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I guess ill tiptoe on eggshells for a few more rounds about you, let me know when I am free to toss out ideas that dare even hint that you may be a wolf. Meanwhile I'll focus on people I'm allowed to suspect
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Dawn, it was ultimately your behavior that made chunnie suspicious which made him choose to vote for me since I was already in a vulnerable position in a majority. But regardless, I think the wolves killed chunnie more for who he said was human...but I'd still look at you as a too suspect.
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Going to try to put this down here, it's nothing earth-shattering but it's just to get some kind of handle on things, at least from my perspective
For what it's worth having reread everyone's activity thus far: My Deb List:
bbgrl - Unsure on her but I guess the odds of wolf v wolf majority would be relatively low
bradon182001 - Seems a little defensive but leaning human
dawnrising - Perhaps my strongest suspicion, considered wolf
Evita - No definite feelings of wolf though I am always wary of revenge votes
HABS2933 - Not sure if she would have declared how sure she was that Slam was furry so close to the end of the round if she knew her to be human. Would have attracted a decent amount of attention, leaning human
HarryPutter - Leaning human all things considered
Jayo - hmmm
Longhorn_fan - There isn't a whole lot to go on here so I'm on the fence
mnkgyl - Seems to be getting a good feel for the game, leaning human
scrub88 - Appears to be in the shadows somewhat, on my radar
The_Spider - Working on possible pairings, all things considered leaning human
Bearing all this in mind, I'm happy to change my vote from Evita to dawnrising for the moment.
I haven't looked at pair analysis yet but I will do tomorrow, too tired now!! zzzzzzz
Day
It takes 6 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
Evita voted for Jayo
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for bradon182001
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
The_Spider voted for Evita
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
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For what it's worth having reread everyone's activity thus far: My Deb List:
bbgrl - Unsure on her but I guess the odds of wolf v wolf majority would be relatively low
bradon182001 - Seems a little defensive but leaning human
dawnrising - Perhaps my strongest suspicion, considered wolf
Evita - No definite feelings of wolf though I am always wary of revenge votes
HABS2933 - Not sure if she would have declared how sure she was that Slam was furry so close to the end of the round if she knew her to be human. Would have attracted a decent amount of attention, leaning human
HarryPutter - Leaning human all things considered
Jayo - hmmm
Longhorn_fan - There isn't a whole lot to go on here so I'm on the fence
mnkgyl - Seems to be getting a good feel for the game, leaning human
scrub88 - Appears to be in the shadows somewhat, on my radar
The_Spider - Working on possible pairings, all things considered leaning human
Bearing all this in mind, I'm happy to change my vote from Evita to dawnrising for the moment.
I haven't looked at pair analysis yet but I will do tomorrow, too tired now!! zzzzzzz
Day
It takes 6 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
Evita voted for Jayo
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for bradon182001
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
The_Spider voted for Evita
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
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Interesting format Jayo, made for some compelling reading
I still see Dawn as human because of the timing fixation, but thats really all thats holding it in place. Ive nicked Scrub and BB off Dawns co-suspects list. I havent moved to considering Harry human, but he came into this round with impressive gusto, which is all I really was voting for him last round anyway. I dont know if its statistically correct to consider the odds of two wolves being in jeopardy in Round 1. One wolf was confirmed to be in the crosshairs so we really only have to consider the odds of one wolf being in the crosshairs of the other 14. (simply put, the odds of two coins heads up is 25%, but if you flip one coin and see it's heads up, the next coin being heads up is 50% not 25%)...just a stats ramble. But basically, BB is not protected by statistics in this case.
Im starting to choke myself out of suspects though so will def have to think bout this
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I still see Dawn as human because of the timing fixation, but thats really all thats holding it in place. Ive nicked Scrub and BB off Dawns co-suspects list. I havent moved to considering Harry human, but he came into this round with impressive gusto, which is all I really was voting for him last round anyway. I dont know if its statistically correct to consider the odds of two wolves being in jeopardy in Round 1. One wolf was confirmed to be in the crosshairs so we really only have to consider the odds of one wolf being in the crosshairs of the other 14. (simply put, the odds of two coins heads up is 25%, but if you flip one coin and see it's heads up, the next coin being heads up is 50% not 25%)...just a stats ramble. But basically, BB is not protected by statistics in this case.
Im starting to choke myself out of suspects though so will def have to think bout this
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Not really sure how to respond to your deb list, Jayo...most of what you say about me is on the money, if perhaps overgeneralized. Really all I have to defend myself is the fact that this is my first game in a while (since October 2014, actually) and I'm trying to make contributions but not accusations, which may make my play a little awkward. I wish I had more to defend myself with but I feel anything more I could potentially say could (and likely will) be taken the wrong way...
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Yep, the login thing definitely gave me some pause Not completely sure which way I want to go.
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The_Spider wrote:
Why thank you, I appreciate that. (See Deb, I am being nice.) It just seems whenever we play in the same game, you are always gunning for me, this game is no exception. Apparently my "soft language" is suspicious and my giving Cab and BB a little more time on Mother's Day is a busser tactic. However I assure you that you are wrong.
So, for what it's worth, here is my useless Deb list:
bbgrl - Little participation so impossible to determine id
bradon182001 - human, believe it or not
dawnrising - - Is being suspected by several, considered possible wolf
Evita - Gave okay to shoot her due to RL, considered human
HABS2933 - claiming not to be a wolf, but won't confirm she's human, considered possible wolf
HarryPutter - Is participating more than usual during first few rounds, considered possible wolf
Jayo - Seems to be actively analyzing, very helpful human or manipulative wolf, undetermined
Longhorn_fan - Limited participation, unable to determine
mnkgyl - Something just doesn't seem right, but this is only his 11th game, so impossible to determine
scrub88 - playing strangely, but not necessarily wolfie, considered possible human
The_Spider - playing his normal aggressive game, impossible to determine
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Irritated....really?
I guess ill tiptoe on eggshells for a few more rounds about you, let me know when I am free to toss out ideas that dare even hint that you may be a wolf. Meanwhile I'll focus on people I'm allowed to suspect
I guess ill tiptoe on eggshells for a few more rounds about you, let me know when I am free to toss out ideas that dare even hint that you may be a wolf. Meanwhile I'll focus on people I'm allowed to suspect
Why thank you, I appreciate that. (See Deb, I am being nice.) It just seems whenever we play in the same game, you are always gunning for me, this game is no exception. Apparently my "soft language" is suspicious and my giving Cab and BB a little more time on Mother's Day is a busser tactic. However I assure you that you are wrong.
So, for what it's worth, here is my useless Deb list:
bbgrl - Little participation so impossible to determine id
bradon182001 - human, believe it or not
dawnrising - - Is being suspected by several, considered possible wolf
Evita - Gave okay to shoot her due to RL, considered human
HABS2933 - claiming not to be a wolf, but won't confirm she's human, considered possible wolf
HarryPutter - Is participating more than usual during first few rounds, considered possible wolf
Jayo - Seems to be actively analyzing, very helpful human or manipulative wolf, undetermined
Longhorn_fan - Limited participation, unable to determine
mnkgyl - Something just doesn't seem right, but this is only his 11th game, so impossible to determine
scrub88 - playing strangely, but not necessarily wolfie, considered possible human
The_Spider - playing his normal aggressive game, impossible to determine
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Ive given reason to suspect more than half the players in the game, shot slamm and cab and had actually voted for harry, evi, bb, and chunnie and habs..if ur getting bent out of shape about a mere mention of suspicoun, thats your baggage, not mine.
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A lot of posting this round.
I think I am going to vote LF this round mostly because of all the people voting bbgirl she is the most likely to hang on to saving an inactive wolf, but I too am suspicious of Dawnrising. I hear what you are saying sir, but something about that first post of last round just seemed forced to me. I think Harry is coming off incredibly human, so I keep looking at those suspicious of him (not Spider) with care. I am also a little leary of bbgirl. While it is unlikely we had a wolf-wolf tie, it was still a random drawing by the computer that created the identity for those two players. The computer does not know who will be inactive. So when I look at bbgirl, I see her not making much of an effort. In the past, over effort has killed her chances as a wolf. For all I know she is trying a different tact. Whatever the case there is not much to go on.
Chunnie - I think you posted more in that one post than you have in the entire last three games. It reminded me of the chunnie I used to play with years ago. Your analysis used to be deadly. And you would get eaten. I guess I understand why you stay under the radar so much.
As far as people not logging on yet this round. I checked before work this morning and we were three hours into the night. I figured we had plenty of time for day three to begin. I assume others did too.
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I think I am going to vote LF this round mostly because of all the people voting bbgirl she is the most likely to hang on to saving an inactive wolf, but I too am suspicious of Dawnrising. I hear what you are saying sir, but something about that first post of last round just seemed forced to me. I think Harry is coming off incredibly human, so I keep looking at those suspicious of him (not Spider) with care. I am also a little leary of bbgirl. While it is unlikely we had a wolf-wolf tie, it was still a random drawing by the computer that created the identity for those two players. The computer does not know who will be inactive. So when I look at bbgirl, I see her not making much of an effort. In the past, over effort has killed her chances as a wolf. For all I know she is trying a different tact. Whatever the case there is not much to go on.
Chunnie - I think you posted more in that one post than you have in the entire last three games. It reminded me of the chunnie I used to play with years ago. Your analysis used to be deadly. And you would get eaten. I guess I understand why you stay under the radar so much.
As far as people not logging on yet this round. I checked before work this morning and we were three hours into the night. I figured we had plenty of time for day three to begin. I assume others did too.
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The first post of last round I had just woken up and was posting on my iPod. So I can see how you would interpret that as forced but it really wasn't...
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Harrys not at the top of my list but he certainly doesnt come off 'incredibly human' in my book. Last round he voted bb with apparent purposefulness promising a post later (i infered to explain in detail). We later got a kind of generic list of basic conclusions , i.e whov was eaten for breaking a tie. Since than his input has been great, but i cant say anything screams human.
Theres two players i pretty much am not allowed to vote yet without it being viewed as some kind of personal grudge, despite that the maestro is a beacon of wwg proffesionalism
I am thinking bb at this juncture, but then again, my goal is to keep as many black xs on my chart as possible.
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Theres two players i pretty much am not allowed to vote yet without it being viewed as some kind of personal grudge, despite that the maestro is a beacon of wwg proffesionalism
I am thinking bb at this juncture, but then again, my goal is to keep as many black xs on my chart as possible.
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Hey guys. Had coral presentation in daughters class today.....went well.
Finished cleaning garage and watched film for humanities class...busy day. Rainy as well. 12 inches in last 8 days I never thought I would say no more...Anyhoo
HP got me on a rial and I know he does not see my logic in me voting him....I think he reasons of suspicion on me are unfounded...that aside.
This round, in conjunction with others, I think the slam vote was wrong. She mentioned nothing, or lack there of to make her seem suspicious.
I need to go back and look at who led the charge and then who followed, but I do recall dawn having something to do with it....might be wrong.
For now voting dawn until I look over last round.
Edit:
Actually looks like slam eating was overactive players on braingle consistently and getting annoyed that someone else has a life....in other words, not seeing much in the slam kill besides Harry....I still have my eye on you....to quick to blame me for not shooting Cab..
Ironically I do notice not many people read my posts as they do not get acknowledged much unless they mention a suspect....
It was dawn that had to tell Spider an hour after my post in last round that I had changed.....mmnnn often wolves do not read posts.
I am going to keep my vote and see what prevails. Maybe someone will take note and get into the game cause I am lost in cereal and oricals....and trying to find wolves.
Good night.
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Finished cleaning garage and watched film for humanities class...busy day. Rainy as well. 12 inches in last 8 days I never thought I would say no more...Anyhoo
HP got me on a rial and I know he does not see my logic in me voting him....I think he reasons of suspicion on me are unfounded...that aside.
This round, in conjunction with others, I think the slam vote was wrong. She mentioned nothing, or lack there of to make her seem suspicious.
I need to go back and look at who led the charge and then who followed, but I do recall dawn having something to do with it....might be wrong.
For now voting dawn until I look over last round.
Edit:
Actually looks like slam eating was overactive players on braingle consistently and getting annoyed that someone else has a life....in other words, not seeing much in the slam kill besides Harry....I still have my eye on you....to quick to blame me for not shooting Cab..
Ironically I do notice not many people read my posts as they do not get acknowledged much unless they mention a suspect....
It was dawn that had to tell Spider an hour after my post in last round that I had changed.....mmnnn often wolves do not read posts.
I am going to keep my vote and see what prevails. Maybe someone will take note and get into the game cause I am lost in cereal and oricals....and trying to find wolves.
Good night.
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LH: I retracted my suspicions of you based on chunnie seer theory.
I partially led the charge against slammn since I was trying to save myself and didn't have anyone else to point at with enough reason to shoot. We have a lot more info now, so we can be more precise...last round was more of a referendum on usefulness. As you can see now, there are many players who can't be partners with me (like you, for instance) and this can be helpful for narrowing down wolves as spid has alluded to. Whereas slammn wasn't contributing, voting, or naming potential suspects at that point...this is almost impossible to derive any info from - wolf or human. It didn't make sense to shoot me over her given all of that.
bobbi: I find the need to be overactive this game because I was almost shot due to me laying low. You can see this in my post last round where I said "I don't respond well to threats" (at that point I had only made one post) after spid threatened to go after me for not posting much.
Normally I lay low because I always get eaten early when I'm really into it (which I alluded to last round when I said aloofness was part of my survival strategy). Luckily this time people are suspicious of me so the wolves may let me hang around a bit longer than usual
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for bradon182001
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for dawnrising
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Longhorn_fan
The_Spider voted for Evita
Definitely an interesting and potentially revealing situation
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I partially led the charge against slammn since I was trying to save myself and didn't have anyone else to point at with enough reason to shoot. We have a lot more info now, so we can be more precise...last round was more of a referendum on usefulness. As you can see now, there are many players who can't be partners with me (like you, for instance) and this can be helpful for narrowing down wolves as spid has alluded to. Whereas slammn wasn't contributing, voting, or naming potential suspects at that point...this is almost impossible to derive any info from - wolf or human. It didn't make sense to shoot me over her given all of that.
bobbi: I find the need to be overactive this game because I was almost shot due to me laying low. You can see this in my post last round where I said "I don't respond well to threats" (at that point I had only made one post) after spid threatened to go after me for not posting much.
Normally I lay low because I always get eaten early when I'm really into it (which I alluded to last round when I said aloofness was part of my survival strategy). Luckily this time people are suspicious of me so the wolves may let me hang around a bit longer than usual
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for bradon182001
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for dawnrising
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Longhorn_fan
The_Spider voted for Evita
Definitely an interesting and potentially revealing situation
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Forgot to mention evi was having some computer trouble she should be back around soon
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5 hers 40 minutes left
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for dawnrising
Evita voted for Jayo
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for bradon182001
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
scrub88 voted for Longhorn_fan
The_Spider voted for Evita
Nnothing has happened in the last few hrs to convince me there is a better vote so am leaving it for now.
Still plenty of time left in the round for people to be up and active before it ends so will check back in a few hrs to see where things stand.
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for dawnrising
Evita voted for Jayo
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for bradon182001
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
scrub88 voted for Longhorn_fan
The_Spider voted for Evita
Nnothing has happened in the last few hrs to convince me there is a better vote so am leaving it for now.
Still plenty of time left in the round for people to be up and active before it ends so will check back in a few hrs to see where things stand.
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
that took waaay too long to read so i'm just gonna explain like i promised and then it's back to work o.o when i got on last night i was in a majority (didn't see who the votes were from) and 4 other people had votes (scrub, jayo, dawn and mnk) i felt scrub was more human than wolf due to his behavior in i think it was round 2 (the confusion about what he said about cab/chunnie, don't think he would drag that kind of attention to himself as a wolf, mnk have given me no signals, human or wolf, but nothing from him makes me feel wolf, dawn pointing out the time stuff makes me feel more human and wolf, which leaves Jayo who have been giving off a few wolf signals o.o so it was not a revenge vote, tbh i didn't notice that's where the vote was from before he mentioned it today you can choose to believe that or not, i don't care, i'm out
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It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
Ok guys here's the deal. This will clearly be m y last game for a while. My husband was diagnosed with renal cancer yesterday and with this new job I just have too much going on right now. I'm voting Dawn for now. I apologize to everyone. We are planning a benefit and have a gofundme a e t up. If anyone wants further info feel free to message me.
Things are not always as they appear
Things are not always as they appear
So sorry BB, no words
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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Did a full grown adult really play the "have a life" card, good Lord
The vote on slamm was pretty obviously and clearly due to her not having voted (pretty standard practice) but rather than simply note that, you managed to bring your own personal vitriol into the game, hardly surprising though.
EDIT: Sorry to hear that BB, Will hope for the best for you and your husband
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The vote on slamm was pretty obviously and clearly due to her not having voted (pretty standard practice) but rather than simply note that, you managed to bring your own personal vitriol into the game, hardly surprising though.
EDIT: Sorry to hear that BB, Will hope for the best for you and your husband
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Sorry to hear BB. Go take care of what you need to, the site will be here if and when you come back.
Thoughts are with you and your family.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Thoughts are with you and your family.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I really don't know why you guys seem to have your suspicions set on me but at this point it really doesn't seem like there is anything I can do about it. Anything I can say to protest my innocence that I don't think would cast more suspicion on me I have already said. Voting Jayo to try and save my skin, but it's not looking too good right now, so Deb, remember my gender (male) when you come on next round to tell the good folks in this game that they shot a human.
Sorry to hear that bb, my thoughts go out to your family. I hope that turns out as well as it can.
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Sorry to hear that bb, my thoughts go out to your family. I hope that turns out as well as it can.
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Well DR, my vote for you was explained as was HP's.
Mnky is the only one that voted for me for a real reason, I obviously understand your reason and Evita's is fabricated - claims dome of my behaviour is wolfish but has pointed out exactly nothing
Who do you this is furry if you're human?
Mnky might be worth considering for a divination tonight if our Seer is paying attention
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Mnky is the only one that voted for me for a real reason, I obviously understand your reason and Evita's is fabricated - claims dome of my behaviour is wolfish but has pointed out exactly nothing
Who do you this is furry if you're human?
Mnky might be worth considering for a divination tonight if our Seer is paying attention
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Who do I think is furry if I'm human?
Well let me just give you my list then--because I am--
bbgrl-really not much to go on either way
bradon-leaning human
dawnrising-human
Evita-potential wolf, not too much basis for either argument though
HABS-leaning human slightly only because I feel like she'd jump on the dawn bandwagon if she was a wolf
Harry-not sure at all
Jayo-also really not sure, seemed human but he's gone after me this round
LH-slightly leaning wolf because she hasn't posted much and she did jump on my bandwagon...
mnkgyl-not much to say, his play has seemed fairly wolfish at times but maybe that's because he just hasn't done too much
scrub-leaning human with just a bad round last one
The_Spider-seems pretty human to me, though he seems awfully unafraid of being eaten with how much posting he does
That's my two euros, just because Jayo, you asked for them. If I'm still around tomorrow I'll try to develop, this is pretty rushed...
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Well let me just give you my list then--because I am--
bbgrl-really not much to go on either way
bradon-leaning human
dawnrising-human
Evita-potential wolf, not too much basis for either argument though
HABS-leaning human slightly only because I feel like she'd jump on the dawn bandwagon if she was a wolf
Harry-not sure at all
Jayo-also really not sure, seemed human but he's gone after me this round
LH-slightly leaning wolf because she hasn't posted much and she did jump on my bandwagon...
mnkgyl-not much to say, his play has seemed fairly wolfish at times but maybe that's because he just hasn't done too much
scrub-leaning human with just a bad round last one
The_Spider-seems pretty human to me, though he seems awfully unafraid of being eaten with how much posting he does
That's my two euros, just because Jayo, you asked for them. If I'm still around tomorrow I'll try to develop, this is pretty rushed...
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This is an interesting situation, if I end up voting for one or the other its probably Jayo solely due to his wide open partnership potential, though I would feel bad shooting someone who has put so much effort into the game so far
How do we feel about bb, her sitaution is obviously very sad, but she's still a reasonable target and if we are still considering shooting her, it might be best to do it as early as possible.
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Jayo
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for dawnrising
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Longhorn_fan
The_Spider voted for Evita
Edit to note: (Rd 2) i was aware LH switched her vote to Harry, I just did not realize her vote was previously on Jayo
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How do we feel about bb, her sitaution is obviously very sad, but she's still a reasonable target and if we are still considering shooting her, it might be best to do it as early as possible.
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Jayo
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for dawnrising
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Longhorn_fan
The_Spider voted for Evita
Edit to note: (Rd 2) i was aware LH switched her vote to Harry, I just did not realize her vote was previously on Jayo
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I did jump on bandwagon.
As a wolf being one of the last players to vote to shoot a human usually does not fair well for them in later rounds.
I jumped on the bandwagon at my potential demise.
I did not know how much time was in the round and wanted to make sure I had voted.
I am becoming weary of Habs.
Jayo always throws me but not sensing wolf there.
I think evi makes activity excuses when she is furry, also she has stated 3 times in game that "she has not read the rounds". How can you figure out who is who if you do not read the players posts?
Switching to Evi for reasons mentioned.
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As a wolf being one of the last players to vote to shoot a human usually does not fair well for them in later rounds.
I jumped on the bandwagon at my potential demise.
I did not know how much time was in the round and wanted to make sure I had voted.
I am becoming weary of Habs.
Jayo always throws me but not sensing wolf there.
I think evi makes activity excuses when she is furry, also she has stated 3 times in game that "she has not read the rounds". How can you figure out who is who if you do not read the players posts?
Switching to Evi for reasons mentioned.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
I like both of the last two choices better than the pair competing now. DR has done a good job of answering my suspicions and Jayo will never convince me of who he is by his words.
I dont yet want a surge on Evi so I will back out and contemplate
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Jayo
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
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bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Jayo
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
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scrub88 wrote:
Not sure what to make of that Scrub. Are you saying you would never listen to my reasoning?
Seems unreasonable
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Jayo will never convince me of who he is by his words.
Not sure what to make of that Scrub. Are you saying you would never listen to my reasoning?
Seems unreasonable
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Ill post a summarzing Deb list in a bit, to bring together my rather disjointed thoughts for my own clarity in making a decision, and to offer what I can here
BB - I will disregard her personal situation and analyze as I would under normal circumstances. I am going to reaffirm my statistical argument, I cannot say this for certain, but I'd be willing to bet at least that BB is no less likely to be a wolf due to Rd 1 issues. I think a good reason for keeping her around is that it is a lot easier to analyze partnerships with her (maybe Im wrong on this? ) due to the Rd 1 situation, and I have a relatively high level of non-partners for her. I would be willing to vote for her here if others are, I'm not sure she would be my top choice though.
Bradon - Made mention of a few minor, and perfectly fair, reasons to suspect, but hardly called her a suspect. Has the Cab vote to her credit, but wolves act similarly to their partners all the time, hold out for a bit and then bus when it seems necessary, There was nothing wrong with me noting that possibility. The 'soft language' struck a chord as it was my own wolf tell for awhile, so again, there has been no misconduct on my part over these things. Wasnt planning on voting this round regardless of current thoughts. Her reaction makes her likely human, because if my suspicions were right, it comes off as a tad 'below the belt' to harass me about them on a "personal" level
Dawn - Originally viewed as human simply over the timing issues, and I appreciate the gracious way he has accepted our explanation of how we feel about those issues to him. He is coming off more and more human to me in straight behavior now. I would not like to see him shot this round, but if it comes to a tie between him and Jayo I may still vote him over Jayo.
Evi - Obviously not a ton to work with just yet. I mentioned my tenuous reasoning for suspecting Evi earlier (the hit and run on chunnie). Its always tough to analyze people who are genuinely busy because as human they obviously cannot post in their usual style/amounts and they often come off with a strange vibe, which the business explains. On the other hand, if they are a wolf and genuinely busy, they have a sort of ideal setup because they would play essentially the same way (ive lost the direction of this point so forgive me if its ramblish). Anyway, blunt reassurances sometimes sway me maybe more than they should, but for the mean time I still think she is human (though POSSIBLY expendable due to her business).
HABS - Not on the table to shoot this round (for me at least). Has the Cab vote to her credit and things I/Harry have previously alluded to. Her comment noting the Jayo/Chunnie connection was very early, wolves dont tend to setup 'down the road' type suspicions so early and aggressively, furthermore, Chunnie is human and she had Chunnie in a tie at that point. Her argument would collapse rather quickly if Chunnie ended up being shot. The Slamm comment was also noted as human like by Harry. If HABS is a wolf she is playing a rather cunning and devious game to this point
Harry - I will emphasize for clarity sake (since its already on the table), I suspected Harry marginally because he posted a mere minute after bbgirl got online, it just indicated to me a heightened interest in the result of the Round 1 shooting. This represents a very minor factor in my views on Harry. I did vote him last round out of frustration over is posting, but he has roared back with a vengeance and he has a few partners that are not possible. I am not calling him human, but he is not a top suspect for me and is not worth shooting this round imo
Jayo - Now that Jayo has been in some tension (was under serious ..and still is...threat this round) my primary motivation for shooting him, lack of possible partners, is vanished. He has done nothing overtly wolfy, but he tends to not have any obvious glaring holes as a wolf. When I think I have wolf reads on him I am usually wrong, so the lack of wolf reads might make me think he IS a wolf this time
Will probably act to preserve Jayo as a high priority now, as I like the effort/contributions thus far.
LHF - Do not really think she is a wolf (partly due to Chunnie list partly due to her behavior) though I would note I agree with Harry her counter vote on Harry did have a little kneejerk wolfish ring to it. Off the table for this round. Will hope to gather a few more partnership intel from her though
Monkey - To be honest I don't really know. Im not sure I would be able to identify a wolf tell out of him at all. His play and voting has been haphazard and fluid, seemingly voting for many different people on whims. He could either be just dodging his partner with these votes or he is rather unconcerned with voting them. The more likely possibility is he is just human and therefore comfortable tossing his vote around with abandon.
Scrubb - Scrubb is tilting back a little more toward the wolf side of the fence, but I will need to give his posts another go before I can really articulate my thoughts.
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BB - I will disregard her personal situation and analyze as I would under normal circumstances. I am going to reaffirm my statistical argument, I cannot say this for certain, but I'd be willing to bet at least that BB is no less likely to be a wolf due to Rd 1 issues. I think a good reason for keeping her around is that it is a lot easier to analyze partnerships with her (maybe Im wrong on this? ) due to the Rd 1 situation, and I have a relatively high level of non-partners for her. I would be willing to vote for her here if others are, I'm not sure she would be my top choice though.
Bradon - Made mention of a few minor, and perfectly fair, reasons to suspect, but hardly called her a suspect. Has the Cab vote to her credit, but wolves act similarly to their partners all the time, hold out for a bit and then bus when it seems necessary, There was nothing wrong with me noting that possibility. The 'soft language' struck a chord as it was my own wolf tell for awhile, so again, there has been no misconduct on my part over these things. Wasnt planning on voting this round regardless of current thoughts. Her reaction makes her likely human, because if my suspicions were right, it comes off as a tad 'below the belt' to harass me about them on a "personal" level
Dawn - Originally viewed as human simply over the timing issues, and I appreciate the gracious way he has accepted our explanation of how we feel about those issues to him. He is coming off more and more human to me in straight behavior now. I would not like to see him shot this round, but if it comes to a tie between him and Jayo I may still vote him over Jayo.
Evi - Obviously not a ton to work with just yet. I mentioned my tenuous reasoning for suspecting Evi earlier (the hit and run on chunnie). Its always tough to analyze people who are genuinely busy because as human they obviously cannot post in their usual style/amounts and they often come off with a strange vibe, which the business explains. On the other hand, if they are a wolf and genuinely busy, they have a sort of ideal setup because they would play essentially the same way (ive lost the direction of this point so forgive me if its ramblish). Anyway, blunt reassurances sometimes sway me maybe more than they should, but for the mean time I still think she is human (though POSSIBLY expendable due to her business).
HABS - Not on the table to shoot this round (for me at least). Has the Cab vote to her credit and things I/Harry have previously alluded to. Her comment noting the Jayo/Chunnie connection was very early, wolves dont tend to setup 'down the road' type suspicions so early and aggressively, furthermore, Chunnie is human and she had Chunnie in a tie at that point. Her argument would collapse rather quickly if Chunnie ended up being shot. The Slamm comment was also noted as human like by Harry. If HABS is a wolf she is playing a rather cunning and devious game to this point
Harry - I will emphasize for clarity sake (since its already on the table), I suspected Harry marginally because he posted a mere minute after bbgirl got online, it just indicated to me a heightened interest in the result of the Round 1 shooting. This represents a very minor factor in my views on Harry. I did vote him last round out of frustration over is posting, but he has roared back with a vengeance and he has a few partners that are not possible. I am not calling him human, but he is not a top suspect for me and is not worth shooting this round imo
Jayo - Now that Jayo has been in some tension (was under serious ..and still is...threat this round) my primary motivation for shooting him, lack of possible partners, is vanished. He has done nothing overtly wolfy, but he tends to not have any obvious glaring holes as a wolf. When I think I have wolf reads on him I am usually wrong, so the lack of wolf reads might make me think he IS a wolf this time
Will probably act to preserve Jayo as a high priority now, as I like the effort/contributions thus far.
LHF - Do not really think she is a wolf (partly due to Chunnie list partly due to her behavior) though I would note I agree with Harry her counter vote on Harry did have a little kneejerk wolfish ring to it. Off the table for this round. Will hope to gather a few more partnership intel from her though
Monkey - To be honest I don't really know. Im not sure I would be able to identify a wolf tell out of him at all. His play and voting has been haphazard and fluid, seemingly voting for many different people on whims. He could either be just dodging his partner with these votes or he is rather unconcerned with voting them. The more likely possibility is he is just human and therefore comfortable tossing his vote around with abandon.
Scrubb - Scrubb is tilting back a little more toward the wolf side of the fence, but I will need to give his posts another go before I can really articulate my thoughts.
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The entire game, DR and Jayo had absolutely no acknowledgement or interaction between one another. The moment I mentioned that they were a possible wolf pair, a heated stand-off between the two started Not sure what I'm supposed to think about that.
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So Dan.....in reading your analysis I see some excellent points.
You do not really say who you are wanting a bullet to go to.
The way I read things I think you are sugesting Dawn or Evi or BB.
Since we have a wolf dead and a living seer we have an opportunity to take a "free" shot but we want to make it count.
If you suspect Dawn of being human then why would you rather shoot him?
I feel Evi or BB is best shot this round and I feel Evi more wolf than BB.
As I mentioned earlier why state as a player multiple times that have not read rounds?
If legit too busy for game then why sign up? That is only disadvantaging your fellow players.
My vote will stay where it is.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
You do not really say who you are wanting a bullet to go to.
The way I read things I think you are sugesting Dawn or Evi or BB.
Since we have a wolf dead and a living seer we have an opportunity to take a "free" shot but we want to make it count.
If you suspect Dawn of being human then why would you rather shoot him?
I feel Evi or BB is best shot this round and I feel Evi more wolf than BB.
As I mentioned earlier why state as a player multiple times that have not read rounds?
If legit too busy for game then why sign up? That is only disadvantaging your fellow players.
My vote will stay where it is.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
This round has brought a lot of new info out. I think BB is the most reasonable shot (as it would also confirm weather Rd 1 was wolf/human or wolf/wolf....in which case the Cab voters lose a lot of their defensive resources) I'm sure she will not mind, or might even prefer to be out of the game at this point, and as noted there are reasonable WWG grounds for doing so?
Any thoughts?
I could vote Evi, but my gut is telling me it will come up human and not in an exciting, tension filled way
I would rather vote Dawn ahead of Jayo mainly because I just feel personally guilty about shooting Jayo in this situation, not really on firm WWG grounds, so I guess I could be talked into it, especially after (see below)
Interesting point Harry will have to consider
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Any thoughts?
I could vote Evi, but my gut is telling me it will come up human and not in an exciting, tension filled way
I would rather vote Dawn ahead of Jayo mainly because I just feel personally guilty about shooting Jayo in this situation, not really on firm WWG grounds, so I guess I could be talked into it, especially after (see below)
Interesting point Harry will have to consider
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bradon182001 wrote:
As I said , I am NOT a wolf. There is no point in saying I am human, and of course I'm going to claim that regardless my role. And nobody believes you when you say hey I'm a human.
I say this, much the same way that anyone who knows me in real life knows I will never say "w" word. I willingly admit to being "not right", "incorrect", "mistaken", or having come to an "erroneous conclusion" or been "opperating under a false belief" but you will never ever here the sentence "I was w***g" come out of my mouth.
refusing to state "I am human" but openly claiming that "I am NOT a wolf" is much the same thing. I'm saying what needs to be said, without actually saying it. and leaving it up to my audience to infer my meaning.
A few different theories being throw around and not sure which are most plausible.
Thinkinv Scrub is not the most effective way to use my vote, especially since he is fairly low down on my list.
Evita states school and being busy in real life for lack of participation this game. I'm apt to believe this and give her a pass for now.
I am not sure about DR but the fact he seems resigned to his fate speaks more human than wolf to me.
I could go with either a Jayo or LH vote.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
HABS2933 - claiming not to be a wolf, but won't confirm she's human, considered possible wolf
As I said , I am NOT a wolf. There is no point in saying I am human, and of course I'm going to claim that regardless my role. And nobody believes you when you say hey I'm a human.
I say this, much the same way that anyone who knows me in real life knows I will never say "w" word. I willingly admit to being "not right", "incorrect", "mistaken", or having come to an "erroneous conclusion" or been "opperating under a false belief" but you will never ever here the sentence "I was w***g" come out of my mouth.
refusing to state "I am human" but openly claiming that "I am NOT a wolf" is much the same thing. I'm saying what needs to be said, without actually saying it. and leaving it up to my audience to infer my meaning.
A few different theories being throw around and not sure which are most plausible.
Thinkinv Scrub is not the most effective way to use my vote, especially since he is fairly low down on my list.
Evita states school and being busy in real life for lack of participation this game. I'm apt to believe this and give her a pass for now.
I am not sure about DR but the fact he seems resigned to his fate speaks more human than wolf to me.
I could go with either a Jayo or LH vote.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Smart but I think it's too late in the round to start a totally new majority. Switching vote to Evita she seems less human.
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Harry,
Possibly the standoff was over two humans being over defensive and attacking one another. IDK
Not thinking wolves would draw that much attention to themselves
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Possibly the standoff was over two humans being over defensive and attacking one another. IDK
Not thinking wolves would draw that much attention to themselves
Like what you love, and love what you got.
Vote how you wish, but I do not think its too late in the round for any action Dawn. Several of us are here for now.
I also think their is a subconscious 'shoot the new (to us) player' bias at play preventing us from making a more difficult decision, so I would still not favor a Dawn shoot.
I guess LH has it right, I would shoot BB, Evi, and then it would come down to the cold hard numbers (Dawn then Jayo then maybe Scrub?)
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I also think their is a subconscious 'shoot the new (to us) player' bias at play preventing us from making a more difficult decision, so I would still not favor a Dawn shoot.
I guess LH has it right, I would shoot BB, Evi, and then it would come down to the cold hard numbers (Dawn then Jayo then maybe Scrub?)
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Jayo wrote:
I invite the seer to divine me to clear me up if they haven't done it yet. But if you are looking for a wolf, don't waste your divination on me. I am playing a human role this game. Can't say about real life
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Mnky might be worth considering for a divination tonight if our Seer is paying attention
I invite the seer to divine me to clear me up if they haven't done it yet. But if you are looking for a wolf, don't waste your divination on me. I am playing a human role this game. Can't say about real life
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Habs post did not sit well with me.
I see the human defense in it but a bit over the top and forced perhaps....
She gives no real reasons for her suspects.
I admit it has been over a year since I played WWG and was a human....I am probably not the shapest wolf hunter right now lol
Still feeling Evi and after Habs post regarding school was interesting as I protected slam in last game by using her school as defense.....we were both wolves BTW
Just food for thought.
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I see the human defense in it but a bit over the top and forced perhaps....
She gives no real reasons for her suspects.
I admit it has been over a year since I played WWG and was a human....I am probably not the shapest wolf hunter right now lol
Still feeling Evi and after Habs post regarding school was interesting as I protected slam in last game by using her school as defense.....we were both wolves BTW
Just food for thought.
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I am just giving fair warning to those voting Evi, I am likely going to vote Dawn over Evi ( this may seem contradictory to previous comments but I will try to explain)
Evi has had several ppl gunning for her the last 2 rounds so she has dwindled her partners list that way, but her willingness to get shot also points to one thing, an independent status. If she is a wolf, her partner would have to be someone she feels no or little obligation toward. (i.e. I would also strike Harry (and myself) from her list. I just think she would at least make an effort to put at least a fighting front for the sake of her partner (again unless its someone she doesnt really feel the obligation toward).
What Im saying is she has a lot of possible "cross-outs"
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Evi has had several ppl gunning for her the last 2 rounds so she has dwindled her partners list that way, but her willingness to get shot also points to one thing, an independent status. If she is a wolf, her partner would have to be someone she feels no or little obligation toward. (i.e. I would also strike Harry (and myself) from her list. I just think she would at least make an effort to put at least a fighting front for the sake of her partner (again unless its someone she doesnt really feel the obligation toward).
What Im saying is she has a lot of possible "cross-outs"
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HarryPutter wrote:
Not every player will have interaction with every other player by early round 3
Think what you like but I think you're trying to stir something that isn't there. Radar.
When I voted Evita, she immediately voted for me
When I voted DR, he immediately voted for me
I'm always suspect of knee jerk votes.
Scrub is solidly on my radar also
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The entire game, DR and Jayo had absolutely no acknowledgement or interaction between one another. The moment I mentioned that they were a possible wolf pair, a heated stand-off between the two started Not sure what I'm supposed to think about that.
Not every player will have interaction with every other player by early round 3
Think what you like but I think you're trying to stir something that isn't there. Radar.
When I voted Evita, she immediately voted for me
When I voted DR, he immediately voted for me
I'm always suspect of knee jerk votes.
Scrub is solidly on my radar also
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I think if it was Jayo/Dawn , Jayo has had the reasonable oppurtunity to find a reason to switch to one of the other named suspects.
Last plea for a bb vote and then I will play the cards that are on the table
confirming current vote status
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Evita
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
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Last plea for a bb vote and then I will play the cards that are on the table
confirming current vote status
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Evita
Evita voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for dawnrising
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
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That is true, he did have opportunity to switch if he wanted to.
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bbgrl wrote:
The way I read this is BB states this game will be her last, she did not say this would be her last post and she was quitting.
I think we need to hunt wolves not shoot someone because they might be inactive in future.
My $00.02 worth.
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Ok guys here's the deal. This will clearly be m y last game for a while. My husband was diagnosed with renal cancer yesterday and with this new job I just have too much going on right now. I'm voting Dawn for now. I apologize to everyone. We are planning a benefit and have a gofundme a e t up. If anyone wants further info feel free to message me.
The way I read this is BB states this game will be her last, she did not say this would be her last post and she was quitting.
I think we need to hunt wolves not shoot someone because they might be inactive in future.
My $00.02 worth.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
Due to her RL situation I would hope the wolves would eat her tonight
I think if she was a wolf she would have outright said it given what's going on
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I think if she was a wolf she would have outright said it given what's going on
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Yes jayo me too
With Dawns post I get a human vibe......not so with Evi.
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With Dawns post I get a human vibe......not so with Evi.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
It's not fair to ask the wolves to eat someone at night in the heart of the most desperate seer finding rounds
Im not suggesting bb is throwing in the towel or otherwise tanking it, but I think with reasonable WWG grounds to suspect her she is a decent vote. Im not trying to exploit or punish her for her situation, but it just seems like a prudent option at this point.
You guys see it differently and that is fine, so I will move to the actual playing whats in front of me phase, my inclination is to go dawn for reasons I have stated on Evi (but Harry could talk me into a Jayo vote )
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Im not suggesting bb is throwing in the towel or otherwise tanking it, but I think with reasonable WWG grounds to suspect her she is a decent vote. Im not trying to exploit or punish her for her situation, but it just seems like a prudent option at this point.
You guys see it differently and that is fine, so I will move to the actual playing whats in front of me phase, my inclination is to go dawn for reasons I have stated on Evi (but Harry could talk me into a Jayo vote )
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It's only round 3 and it's an exceptional circumstance
I would vote to eat her if I was furry
Also they will probably time night out lamely to keep her implicated
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
I would vote to eat her if I was furry
Also they will probably time night out lamely to keep her implicated
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Longhorn_fan wrote:
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
I feel Evi or BB is best shot this round and I feel Evi more wolf than BB.
As I mentioned earlier why state as a player multiple times that have not read rounds?
If legit too busy for game then why sign up? That is only disadvantaging your fellow players.
My vote will stay where it is.
i heard a little bird whisper about me possibly being shot o.o I believe i said once that i hadn't read the round yet. i signed up becausei thought i had the project in the bag, then we visited the company that gave the school the project and they wanted something completely different and at the same time our experiments failed heavily, didn't know i would be this busy at the time :p changing to dawn for self preservation, though i won't be very active i solemnly swear to get on, read and vote every round.
As I mentioned earlier why state as a player multiple times that have not read rounds?
If legit too busy for game then why sign up? That is only disadvantaging your fellow players.
My vote will stay where it is.
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
BB could be seer, who knows....except the seer haha
I just agree that I think if she were going out of game she would do so. But she has not.
I would vote myself to not disrupt the game
BB prayers with your family
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I just agree that I think if she were going out of game she would do so. But she has not.
I would vote myself to not disrupt the game
BB prayers with your family
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Evita wrote:
So you and someone else are talking outside of the game about the game???
Not cool
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Longhorn_fan wrote:
I feel Evi or BB is best shot this round and I feel Evi more wolf than BB.
As I mentioned earlier why state as a player multiple times that have not read rounds?
If legit too busy for game then why sign up? That is only disadvantaging your fellow players.
My vote will stay where it is.
i heard a little bird whisper about me possibly being shot o.o I believe i said once that i hadn't read the round yet. i signed up becausei thought i had the project in the bag, then we visited the company that gave the school the project and they wanted something completely different and at the same time our experiments failed heavily, didn't know i would be this busy at the time :p changing to dawn for self preservation, though i won't be very active i solemnly swear to get on, read and vote every round.As I mentioned earlier why state as a player multiple times that have not read rounds?
If legit too busy for game then why sign up? That is only disadvantaging your fellow players.
My vote will stay where it is.
So you and someone else are talking outside of the game about the game???
Not cool
Like what you love, and love what you got.
Night 3 is VERY LATE for the wolves to be doing favors, and as LHF pointed out, bb made no mention of quitting or abandoning this game. Seeing how the wolves have done an exceptional job at keeping nights short, it's a little unfair to suggest they will let this night time out. We have this culture where the wolves are expected to make sacrifices for the game. It's not the wolves job to regulate the game for the humans, especially to their own serious detriment.
If the wolves eat bb, it's certainly a generous courtesy but it is not at all their responsibility.
Feel guilty about it but the bell is about to toll, sorry Dawn (really, I wish I didn't have to do this )
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If the wolves eat bb, it's certainly a generous courtesy but it is not at all their responsibility.
Feel guilty about it but the bell is about to toll, sorry Dawn (really, I wish I didn't have to do this )
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Changing to evi to give randomiser a chance
Oh that's not possible trying to give randomizer a chance since r1.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Oh that's not possible trying to give randomizer a chance since r1.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
You're shooting the wrong one 😒 but I understand, I would do the same in your position
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I don't believe randomness should play the part, voting Evita
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interesting read
baby- so so sorry to hear about your husband, please send me the info, your an incredible strong young lady and I will pray for you and your family
the game-
remember the rules, no outside talking about the game, a reminder that you are in the game I think is ok, but no discussion about the game
also remember this is a game, no one is above not being suspected, but be respectful in your suspicions, and realize not everyone thinks the same as you do, your opinions do matter and should be encouraged as well as every one else's
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baby- so so sorry to hear about your husband, please send me the info, your an incredible strong young lady and I will pray for you and your family
the game-
remember the rules, no outside talking about the game, a reminder that you are in the game I think is ok, but no discussion about the game
also remember this is a game, no one is above not being suspected, but be respectful in your suspicions, and realize not everyone thinks the same as you do, your opinions do matter and should be encouraged as well as every one else's
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I bet everyone is at the edge of their seat wanting to know what evi was
a sweet schoolgirl or a man eating wolf
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she was a wolf
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