The Werewolf Game
Game #3142: It's not far to never-never land
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RFM for deb...
thank you dawn
sorry to see long go, catch you later dear
your seer still lives
I can not stress enough that there is to be no outside talking during the game. round 1 a note saying hey the game has started I feel is perfectly ok after that the person knows he/she is in a game, no further talk should be required, doing so, whether innocent or not gives the appearance of foul play. stop the outside talking
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thank you dawn
sorry to see long go, catch you later dear
your seer still lives
I can not stress enough that there is to be no outside talking during the game. round 1 a note saying hey the game has started I feel is perfectly ok after that the person knows he/she is in a game, no further talk should be required, doing so, whether innocent or not gives the appearance of foul play. stop the outside talking
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Well that worked out splendidly...
SPV for now...
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SPV for now...
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Excellent work guys!
Obviously the last wolf doesnt have a lot of places to hide. Will SPV for now.
Evi played on my known weakness
Top choice is actually still bb, 2nd might be Harry
Jayo/Dawn/Monkey are very likely human, have to review on Scrubs.
Since Evi was a wolf we know the wolf combo cant be BB/CAB/XXX so we know if a wolf was voting Cab they were genuinly bussing and not just picking between inactives. That strengthens the human evidence for HABS and Bradon.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Obviously the last wolf doesnt have a lot of places to hide. Will SPV for now.
Evi played on my known weakness
Top choice is actually still bb, 2nd might be Harry
Jayo/Dawn/Monkey are very likely human, have to review on Scrubs.
Since Evi was a wolf we know the wolf combo cant be BB/CAB/XXX so we know if a wolf was voting Cab they were genuinly bussing and not just picking between inactives. That strengthens the human evidence for HABS and Bradon.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I never once said I was gone for the game just said it would be a while before I played another.
Things are not always as they appear
Things are not always as they appear
I think my suspicion on harry was true. Voting..
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
The only reason I dont really think Harry is because Evi saying a little birdie told her she was bout to be shot. That birdie was very likely Harry, so its kind of foolish to say 'my partner just warned me im bout to be shot'. (also as I said last round, I think Evi would give it a little more energy if Harry was partner)
I asked Harry in round 2 what he thought of Evi cause last time I asked him that he said "I will tell you she is acting exactly the way I think she would if she were a wolf" and she was . His instincts were off or he was covering for her this time
I hope it is Harry only so the long awaited Lovers United crashes and burns
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I asked Harry in round 2 what he thought of Evi cause last time I asked him that he said "I will tell you she is acting exactly the way I think she would if she were a wolf" and she was . His instincts were off or he was covering for her this time
I hope it is Harry only so the long awaited Lovers United crashes and burns
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I am going to put a different take on this. I am wondering why mnk did not change his vote last round?
And I know Dan is working hard, but I also know he would throw an inactive wolf under the bus round 1. Of course he brought up Evi last round, but as soon as LF and I went with him he backed out of the vote.
I don't know who to vote for yet, because Evi stayed disconnected. I will wait for Deb post before I vote.
so I don't do Deb lists, but I feel great about Jayo and DR, good about Bradon and Habs, wondering about mnkgyl and Spider, suspicious of bbgirl, and have completely flipped on Harry. He has been incredibly wrong this game.
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And I know Dan is working hard, but I also know he would throw an inactive wolf under the bus round 1. Of course he brought up Evi last round, but as soon as LF and I went with him he backed out of the vote.
I don't know who to vote for yet, because Evi stayed disconnected. I will wait for Deb post before I vote.
so I don't do Deb lists, but I feel great about Jayo and DR, good about Bradon and Habs, wondering about mnkgyl and Spider, suspicious of bbgirl, and have completely flipped on Harry. He has been incredibly wrong this game.
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dawnrising wrote:
I think you did an outstanding job last round!
Well that worked out splendidly...
SPV for now...
SPV for now...
I think you did an outstanding job last round!
scrub88 wrote:
Lemme explain the events of the last 5 mins of prev round to those who weren't present to see the frenzy.
When I got on 4 mins were left and I saw that evi had 3 votes while dawn had 4 votes (I probably assumed so). So I posted that I am going to make it a tie and voted evi. Then I realised that dawn had 5 votes. So I found it impossible to make a tie and edited my post. Just after that jayo moved his vote from dawn to evi. Now dawn had 4 votes and evi had 5. So I switched back to jayo to end the round in a 4-4 tie.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
I am going to put a different take on this. I am wondering why mnk did not change his vote last round?
Lemme explain the events of the last 5 mins of prev round to those who weren't present to see the frenzy.
When I got on 4 mins were left and I saw that evi had 3 votes while dawn had 4 votes (I probably assumed so). So I posted that I am going to make it a tie and voted evi. Then I realised that dawn had 5 votes. So I found it impossible to make a tie and edited my post. Just after that jayo moved his vote from dawn to evi. Now dawn had 4 votes and evi had 5. So I switched back to jayo to end the round in a 4-4 tie.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Yep jayo is pretty much guaranteed human. What have I been wrong about? I was actually right that LH was human.
The only thing that made me uneasy was how Dr and jayo changed their behavior after my post, but I ended up agreeing it was probably nothing.
And yes I did warn evi she was going to be shot since she had been incredibly busy. I thought it would be unfair to end the round before she had a say. But I think that essentially clears me since evi wouldn't give her partner away like that since there's really only me who talks to evi overall I can't say wolf bells rung for me when it came to evi since she was telling me the same things privately about her school work as she did in the game. She was basically avoiding wwg discussion in the game so there was really nothing to read into about her. We didn't directly discuss the game so nothing unfair happened, I basically just told her she should check out the game. I think that's fair enough.
All that being said, my initial instincts have been off this game, but my conclusions have not if you actually go back and read my posts
I think there's good reason to think jayo, bradon and possibly scrubb are human. The wolf should have eaten jayo if his suspect list was accurate last round since he essentially cleared himself. That means it's likely something is wrong with jayos suspect list....or Maybe LH pointed something out that spooked the wolf that's more accurate than his list.
Edit
Okay I checked. Both me and jayo mentioned we were leaning human on habs, LH said she was suspicious of habs. LH was the one eaten. Also jayo and I said mnky was likely human. Based on that, I would suspect habs and mnky right now. I also think scrub would've eaten jayo if he was the wolf, so I'd say I'm leaning human on him too.
I didn't read very thoroughly, I will when I have more energy.
Preliminarily I'd say
My 'most' to least human ranking is - jayo (most human), bradon (2nd most human), spid/scrub, dr, bb, habs, mnky (top 3 suspects)
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The only thing that made me uneasy was how Dr and jayo changed their behavior after my post, but I ended up agreeing it was probably nothing.
And yes I did warn evi she was going to be shot since she had been incredibly busy. I thought it would be unfair to end the round before she had a say. But I think that essentially clears me since evi wouldn't give her partner away like that since there's really only me who talks to evi overall I can't say wolf bells rung for me when it came to evi since she was telling me the same things privately about her school work as she did in the game. She was basically avoiding wwg discussion in the game so there was really nothing to read into about her. We didn't directly discuss the game so nothing unfair happened, I basically just told her she should check out the game. I think that's fair enough.
All that being said, my initial instincts have been off this game, but my conclusions have not if you actually go back and read my posts
I think there's good reason to think jayo, bradon and possibly scrubb are human. The wolf should have eaten jayo if his suspect list was accurate last round since he essentially cleared himself. That means it's likely something is wrong with jayos suspect list....or Maybe LH pointed something out that spooked the wolf that's more accurate than his list.
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Okay I checked. Both me and jayo mentioned we were leaning human on habs, LH said she was suspicious of habs. LH was the one eaten. Also jayo and I said mnky was likely human. Based on that, I would suspect habs and mnky right now. I also think scrub would've eaten jayo if he was the wolf, so I'd say I'm leaning human on him too.
I didn't read very thoroughly, I will when I have more energy.
Preliminarily I'd say
My 'most' to least human ranking is - jayo (most human), bradon (2nd most human), spid/scrub, dr, bb, habs, mnky (top 3 suspects)
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Awesome
If we still have our Seer we are in terrific shape
No reason to hold off my vote so away it goes:
Day
It takes 5 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
dawnrising voted for mnkgyl
HarryPutter voted for HABS2933
Jayo voted for The_Spider
mnkgyl voted for HarryPutter
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
Will be back on later to take a close look at suspect list/potential clears list
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
If we still have our Seer we are in terrific shape
No reason to hold off my vote so away it goes:
Day
It takes 5 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
dawnrising voted for mnkgyl
HarryPutter voted for HABS2933
Jayo voted for The_Spider
mnkgyl voted for HarryPutter
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
Will be back on later to take a close look at suspect list/potential clears list
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
I hope our seer I a sell here and can she'd some light on this. If you have found the final wolf come forward. I will spv for now be back on in 1 2 hours
Things are not always as they appear
Things are not always as they appear
bbgrl wrote:
Or He
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
I hope our seer I a sell here and can she'd some light on this.
Or He
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
mnkgyl wrotete
. I've asked you before, and didn't get a response, so I'll ask again: lWHAT IS WITH YOU AND TIES?!? why let the system choose? Why not man-up and make a decission? UNLESS you feel strongly one is a better shot over the other and it is the only way to possibly get your suspected player shot.player shot.
This is a risky way to play as the computer does not always make the "right" choice.
Lucky for the humans this time it did.
Of course if you are a wolf trying to save your partner, in your view, it made the wrong one.
Going to go back and see the circumstances surrounding the other round you wanred to keep it tied up.
I don't think HP did anything wrong telling Evi to check the game. As long as that is all he said. I would allow it in my games.
HP, if I were a wolf, I wouldn't have eaten LaH, she was the only player that really pushed the idea I am furry, and she didn't really pushbthat hard. I prefer keeping players that suspect me around as it adds to the challenge.
My vote is for mnky. - both rounds that he was trying to create a lie there was a wolf involved and he voted the other way. Seems odd to me. It has to be more than acoincidence.
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I posted that I am going to make it a tie..... So I switched back to jayo to end the round in a 4-4 tie.
. I've asked you before, and didn't get a response, so I'll ask again: lWHAT IS WITH YOU AND TIES?!? why let the system choose? Why not man-up and make a decission? UNLESS you feel strongly one is a better shot over the other and it is the only way to possibly get your suspected player shot.player shot.
This is a risky way to play as the computer does not always make the "right" choice.
Lucky for the humans this time it did.
Of course if you are a wolf trying to save your partner, in your view, it made the wrong one.
Going to go back and see the circumstances surrounding the other round you wanred to keep it tied up.
I don't think HP did anything wrong telling Evi to check the game. As long as that is all he said. I would allow it in my games.
HP, if I were a wolf, I wouldn't have eaten LaH, she was the only player that really pushed the idea I am furry, and she didn't really pushbthat hard. I prefer keeping players that suspect me around as it adds to the challenge.
My vote is for mnky. - both rounds that he was trying to create a lie there was a wolf involved and he voted the other way. Seems odd to me. It has to be more than acoincidence.
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Couple things before I get my day going
1. Monkey definitely did change his vote to Evi to 'let the computer decide' this was just after I changed to Dawn so he really unevened it by voting Jayo. Monkey has put Evi in the crosshairs earlier too
2. I can understand why Id be suspect after last round abut I think it's a bit short sighted to take the events of a mad end round frenzy instead of looking at my game as a whole. When you play the way I do your simply bound to have these things happen. IMO people have been putting far too little weight on my Cab push in Round 1. It's seldom to your advantage to bus a wolf in Round 1, especially when bb was just as viable a candidate. I may vote her, but I wouldnt spell out a "short night" argument to convince others to vote her, it just is poor strategy. (Im divined A LOT, as Im sured you agree, so chances of that helping me would be almost 0).
I also was after Evi in Round 2. (refer to voting lists). Granted never anything as forceful as the Cab case, but there was certainly no need to shoot Wolf 1 then go after Wolf 2 in the first 2 rounds.
As Ive stated, we know those voting Cab would genuinely have to be bussing her now (i,e. not choosing whether to sac Cab or BB) So the human evidence of Bradon and HABS (and me) jumps. One other thing I will say about Harry, his "there is def a wolf in the Cab votes" never rang true with me. He called it a Cab shuffle but I dont think anything out of the ordinary happened, so it made it seem like he just applied a generic suspicion to a specific situation.
Will be up and at em soon
think i will have to give HABS a closer look at least this round
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1. Monkey definitely did change his vote to Evi to 'let the computer decide' this was just after I changed to Dawn so he really unevened it by voting Jayo. Monkey has put Evi in the crosshairs earlier too
2. I can understand why Id be suspect after last round abut I think it's a bit short sighted to take the events of a mad end round frenzy instead of looking at my game as a whole. When you play the way I do your simply bound to have these things happen. IMO people have been putting far too little weight on my Cab push in Round 1. It's seldom to your advantage to bus a wolf in Round 1, especially when bb was just as viable a candidate. I may vote her, but I wouldnt spell out a "short night" argument to convince others to vote her, it just is poor strategy. (Im divined A LOT, as Im sured you agree, so chances of that helping me would be almost 0).
I also was after Evi in Round 2. (refer to voting lists). Granted never anything as forceful as the Cab case, but there was certainly no need to shoot Wolf 1 then go after Wolf 2 in the first 2 rounds.
As Ive stated, we know those voting Cab would genuinely have to be bussing her now (i,e. not choosing whether to sac Cab or BB) So the human evidence of Bradon and HABS (and me) jumps. One other thing I will say about Harry, his "there is def a wolf in the Cab votes" never rang true with me. He called it a Cab shuffle but I dont think anything out of the ordinary happened, so it made it seem like he just applied a generic suspicion to a specific situation.
Will be up and at em soon
think i will have to give HABS a closer look at least this round
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Jayo wrote:
CORRECTED VERSION-
I hope our seer is still here and can shed some light on this.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
bbgrl wrote:
Or He
I hope our seer I a sell here and can she'd some light on this.
Or He
CORRECTED VERSION-
I hope our seer is still here and can shed some light on this.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
oh and just to note.
People have been commenting that I am likely to bus an inactive. If its absolutely necessary I will (like all decent players), but this view of me as a cutthroat busser is just innacurate, I am one of the LOW end of the bus/save scale, but I could see my how I play may give people the wrong impression
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
People have been commenting that I am likely to bus an inactive. If its absolutely necessary I will (like all decent players), but this view of me as a cutthroat busser is just innacurate, I am one of the LOW end of the bus/save scale, but I could see my how I play may give people the wrong impression
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I don't see you as a chronic busser. .. I'd like to see the stats from people who think you are.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
The_Spider wrote:
I gave you a clear based on the mere fact that you posted a cookie against cab when there wasn't a single vote on cab and no one was talking of her, thanks to my misunderstanding chunnie for cab
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
oh and just to note.
People have been commenting that I am likely to bus an inactive. If its absolutely necessary I will (like all decent players), but this view of me as a cutthroat busser is just innacurate, I am one of the LOW end of the bus/save scale, but I could see my how I play may give people the wrong impression
People have been commenting that I am likely to bus an inactive. If its absolutely necessary I will (like all decent players), but this view of me as a cutthroat busser is just innacurate, I am one of the LOW end of the bus/save scale, but I could see my how I play may give people the wrong impression
I gave you a clear based on the mere fact that you posted a cookie against cab when there wasn't a single vote on cab and no one was talking of her, thanks to my misunderstanding chunnie for cab
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
HABS2933 wrote:
It wasn't a tie at the end
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
mnkgyl wrotete
.
This is a risky way to play as the computer does not always make the "right" choice.
Lucky for the humans this time it did.
Of course if you are a wolf trying to save your partner, in your view, it made the wrong one.
I posted that I am going to make it a tie..... So I switched back to jayo to end the round in a 4-4 tie.
.
This is a risky way to play as the computer does not always make the "right" choice.
Lucky for the humans this time it did.
Of course if you are a wolf trying to save your partner, in your view, it made the wrong one.
It wasn't a tie at the end
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Certainly it was jayo
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Breaking news!!!
Jayo can't count
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Jayo can't count
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
This is the voting list from last round...of course it does not illustrate what happened before all was said and done but I'm posting it again to try and clear up some confusion.
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Evita
Evita voted for dawnrising
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for Evita
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for dawnrising
I'm giving all the Evita voters a clear for this round, just because it seems far too risky to bus a fellow wolf this early in the game with one wolf down already.
The question here is, was Longhorn simply a revenge eat or did she hit upon something else in her posts? I'm also curious to see if Deb says she was the seer...if she was it may explain why she seemed to be trying to stay under the radar...
Right now it seems like my suspicions are in line with everyone else's, with a few slight differences, so I'll leave my vote where it is and will be back on to possibly change.
One last note: I will be gone on vacation this weekend so I may be less active for a day or two.
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bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Evita
Evita voted for dawnrising
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for Evita
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for dawnrising
I'm giving all the Evita voters a clear for this round, just because it seems far too risky to bus a fellow wolf this early in the game with one wolf down already.
The question here is, was Longhorn simply a revenge eat or did she hit upon something else in her posts? I'm also curious to see if Deb says she was the seer...if she was it may explain why she seemed to be trying to stay under the radar...
Right now it seems like my suspicions are in line with everyone else's, with a few slight differences, so I'll leave my vote where it is and will be back on to possibly change.
One last note: I will be gone on vacation this weekend so I may be less active for a day or two.
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Monkey is way too high on way to many suspect lists.
Monkey DID vote Evi last round (Im trying to account for the votes but Im not able to ) I think it put her in a tie but its hard to say for sure. Thats why HABS accusations of him are funny because she has the situation last round entirely backwards
I cannot be sure exactly how the votes were laid at the time of his vote, but in his mind I can assure you he genuinly thought he was putting Evi into a tie at the tail end of the Round. I saw his vote. He also put her in a (albeit 4 way) majority in Round 2.
Monkey is toward the top of the humans list in my book
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Monkey DID vote Evi last round (Im trying to account for the votes but Im not able to ) I think it put her in a tie but its hard to say for sure. Thats why HABS accusations of him are funny because she has the situation last round entirely backwards
I cannot be sure exactly how the votes were laid at the time of his vote, but in his mind I can assure you he genuinly thought he was putting Evi into a tie at the tail end of the Round. I saw his vote. He also put her in a (albeit 4 way) majority in Round 2.
Monkey is toward the top of the humans list in my book
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Does all of this bring us back to bb?
My list has moved. I agree about Cab and am moving Spider back to good.
It sounds like mnkgyl has horrible logic. I agree with Habs. Clear yourself with a real vote.
Harry wouldn't really save her because they were partners?
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My list has moved. I agree about Cab and am moving Spider back to good.
It sounds like mnkgyl has horrible logic. I agree with Habs. Clear yourself with a real vote.
Harry wouldn't really save her because they were partners?
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He voted Jayo in the end.
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Evita
Evita voted for dawnrising
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for Evita
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for dawnrising
By his own admission, he moved his vote OFF of Evi at the end so it would end in a tie.
To me, it looks like he was trying to save Evi.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
bbgrl voted for dawnrising
bradon182001 voted for mnkgyl
dawnrising voted for Evita
Evita voted for dawnrising
HABS2933 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for dawnrising
Jayo voted for Evita
Longhorn_fan voted for Evita
mnkgyl voted for Jayo
scrub88 voted for Evita
The_Spider voted for dawnrising
By his own admission, he moved his vote OFF of Evi at the end so it would end in a tie.
When I got on 4 mins were left and I saw that evi had 3 votes while dawn had 4 votes (I probably assumed so). So I posted that I am going to make it a tie and voted evi. Then I realised that dawn had 5 votes. So I found it impossible to make a tie and edited my post. Just after that jayo moved his vote from dawn to evi. Now dawn had 4 votes and evi had 5. So I switched back to jayo to end the round in a 4-4 tie.
To me, it looks like he was trying to save Evi.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
The_Spider wrote:
I have posted the story of the climax above. Read it to clear your doubts.
If I were a wolf why would I come out of nowhere to say I am voting evi when the man was on dawn. If I had to change my vote, I would have easily voted dawn and would have got him shot without any suspicion on me.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Im trying to account for the votes but Im not able to
I have posted the story of the climax above. Read it to clear your doubts.
If I were a wolf why would I come out of nowhere to say I am voting evi when the man was on dawn. If I had to change my vote, I would have easily voted dawn and would have got him shot without any suspicion on me.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
We know he voted Jayo, this has been dissected at length . Whatever his motivation, he put Evi in a tie (or it was 5-4 and he legit thought it was a tie) with minutes left. I avouch for this vote, whats the difference what his strategy is, the end result is he still would have had to be putting his partner under the gun. And again I point out he targeted her in Round 2.
HABS is creeping up my suspect list but for now, want to target bb
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
HABS is creeping up my suspect list but for now, want to target bb
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
HABS2933 wrote:
I had put Evi in sole majority at the end of the round, with 1 minute to go
I didn't realize he put it back to 4-4!
It's a decent shout to vote Mnky, if DR had have lost the coin toss and flipped human, it would be open season on pretty much everyone
Very lucky it went the way it did (Yes 50/50 but due to implications, very lucky)
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He voted Jayo in the end.
By his own admission, he moved his vote OFF of Evi at the end so it would end in a tie.
To me, it looks like he was trying to save Evi.
By his own admission, he moved his vote OFF of Evi at the end so it would end in a tie.
To me, it looks like he was trying to save Evi.
I had put Evi in sole majority at the end of the round, with 1 minute to go
I didn't realize he put it back to 4-4!
It's a decent shout to vote Mnky, if DR had have lost the coin toss and flipped human, it would be open season on pretty much everyone
Very lucky it went the way it did (Yes 50/50 but due to implications, very lucky)
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I don't like a majority on mnky...his actions last round were admittedly suspicious but not "wolf-suspicious." A wolf would never draw attention to himself like that for no reason, when he could have just as easily voted me and kept another wolf alive while being almost completely devoid of suspicion. Changing vote because my original was just an SPV and I think there are better candidates for a majority.
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I'm not understanding this group mitigation/ignoring of what Monkey ACTUALLY did at the end of the round. It was 4-3 Dawn over Evi. SIMULTANEOUS to his posting I was making it 5-3 Dawn over Evi, so when he posted he HONESTLY believed his vote was making it 4-4 Dawn vs Evi (due to my vote it was actually 5-4 still). Jayo, perhaps taking Monkeys post on its face and believing it to be tied, switched from Dawn to Evi (thinking it was breaking a tie but actually simply reversing the majority to 5-4 Evi over Dawn)...this must be factual since you cant possibly break a tie by switching your vote from one tied candidate to the other (well and ending with a 5-4 maj). Monkey, for the SAME EXACT motivation as before, backed off and voted Jayo to restore the tie.
You can ridicule him for his reliance on ties, but he was not trying to "save Evi" else he wouldnt have put her in a tie in the first place. Monkey again, has the roundly ignored Round 2 temporary majority on Evi (AND HE EVEN ASKED TO GET HER SHOT AT THE END OF ROUND 2).
Monkey end of ROUND 2 wrote
The game consists of 3.5 rounds of play so far, not 5 minutes at the end of round 3.
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You can ridicule him for his reliance on ties, but he was not trying to "save Evi" else he wouldnt have put her in a tie in the first place. Monkey again, has the roundly ignored Round 2 temporary majority on Evi (AND HE EVEN ASKED TO GET HER SHOT AT THE END OF ROUND 2).
Monkey end of ROUND 2 wrote
Slamm posted but did not vote.
Evi said that she won't be active.
Let's create a tie maj on them.
Evi said that she won't be active.
Let's create a tie maj on them.
The game consists of 3.5 rounds of play so far, not 5 minutes at the end of round 3.
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dawnrising wrote:
maybe not intentionally, but even the most experienced of walls slips up for once in awhile, otherwise we would never be able to find them.
obviously, based on your vote, you feel that I am one of those "better options", not sure why I seem suspicious to you but if you want to vote for me and lose a human, that is your prerogative. I doubt there's much that I can say to convince you otherwise. and at this point since I'm in no danger, I don't see the need to do so.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
... wolf would never draw attention to himself like that for no reason.
maybe not intentionally, but even the most experienced of walls slips up for once in awhile, otherwise we would never be able to find them.
...I think there are better candidates for a majority.
obviously, based on your vote, you feel that I am one of those "better options", not sure why I seem suspicious to you but if you want to vote for me and lose a human, that is your prerogative. I doubt there's much that I can say to convince you otherwise. and at this point since I'm in no danger, I don't see the need to do so.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
You could convince me by ending this bizzare refusal to see the end of Round 3 as it actually happened. The only person more clear than Monkey imo is Jayo. (or else monkey is a viciously cutthroat wolf and honors the computer tie above even his partners life)
Monkey, with A MERE TWO MINUTES LEFT, TWO MINUTES. Changed his vote to Evi with every intention of making it
4
4
rather than
Dawn 4
Evi 3
Had Jayo and I not been simultaneously scrambling our votes (completely unbeknownst to Monkey)..Monkey is Round 3's hero. He couldnt have POSSIBLY predicted vote changes by both Jayo and I with under 3 minutes left, so in his mind he was honestly and legitimately putting Evi into jeopardy of getting shot when she was not before he acted.
The only reason to suspect Monkey at this point is if you think he is so "looney" he just worships the tie and damned be the game results.
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Monkey, with A MERE TWO MINUTES LEFT, TWO MINUTES. Changed his vote to Evi with every intention of making it
4
4
rather than
Dawn 4
Evi 3
Had Jayo and I not been simultaneously scrambling our votes (completely unbeknownst to Monkey)..Monkey is Round 3's hero. He couldnt have POSSIBLY predicted vote changes by both Jayo and I with under 3 minutes left, so in his mind he was honestly and legitimately putting Evi into jeopardy of getting shot when she was not before he acted.
The only reason to suspect Monkey at this point is if you think he is so "looney" he just worships the tie and damned be the game results.
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Ah you're right about that I kind of got lost in the confusion last round.
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The end was crazy
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Regarding DR's question.... Any experienced wolf would not be revenge eating at this stage of the game. The wolf's only mission right now is to find the seer. If someone says something accurate enough, they're going to be eaten
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Just read Snows Round 0, found exactly what I expected
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I will accept all roses given to me for increasing the fun in the game. Don't feel shy in giving the rose you are hiding being your back
Habs is giving off Wolfy smells.
I clear harry for the fact that I constantly suspected him but didn't vote him, something an inexperienced seer will do and I was not eaten.
But I can be wrong.. very wrong.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Habs is giving off Wolfy smells.
I clear harry for the fact that I constantly suspected him but didn't vote him, something an inexperienced seer will do and I was not eaten.
But I can be wrong.. very wrong.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
HABS: my change to you was an SPV as well, I will probably change before the end of the round...you are correct it is my prerogative though I'm just suspecting monkey less and less and needed someone to switch to...in my last played game the reason I was shot was my reluctance to commit to a majority, and I don't want to seem like I'm doing the same by switching from monkey to someone with no vote creating a MoO.
Harry: true, and there are really no inexperienced players at this stage.
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knock it off dan
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Deb as nice a person as you are, you always seem to side with the person/people in the wrong. It was completely out of line for her to post that and you buckling to it was not neccessary
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Would like to hear from Bradon, what are thoughts on bb, no one seems to have an eye on her
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it might be out of line but you are feeding fuel to the fire
watching as an outsider you don't get personally involved so one's perspective is different
and I am concerned with ALL 15 players, not one or two
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watching as an outsider you don't get personally involved so one's perspective is different
and I am concerned with ALL 15 players, not one or two
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The_Spider wrote:
Too less activity to determine anything.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Would like to hear from Bradon, what are thoughts on bb, no one seems to have an eye on her
Too less activity to determine anything.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
You said what needed to be said at the end of last round, you did a perfect job handling it. Just dont be pressured into moderating according to what someone else thinks, your games are fine.
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bbgrl voted for dawnrising
dawnrising voted for HABS2933
HABS2933 voted for mnkgyl
HarryPutter voted for HABS2933
Jayo voted for The_Spider
mnkgyl voted for HABS2933
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
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dawnrising voted for HABS2933
HABS2933 voted for mnkgyl
HarryPutter voted for HABS2933
Jayo voted for The_Spider
mnkgyl voted for HABS2933
The_Spider voted for bbgrl
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Suspect me all you want, for whatever reasons you want. There is not a lot I can say/do to disuade any of you and this is fine.
The goal of the game is to find the wolves while protecting the seer.
The humans are in a safe enough position at this point, that we are not going to lose the game if I get shot. If a human is to be shot, I'd rather I be the sacrifice and since Ibknow I'm just a regular joe and give the seer the chance to divine another player. Shooting anyone else risks the seer's life.
Go nuts, pile on the majority and shoot me. It could work for the grester good.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
The goal of the game is to find the wolves while protecting the seer.
The humans are in a safe enough position at this point, that we are not going to lose the game if I get shot. If a human is to be shot, I'd rather I be the sacrifice and since Ibknow I'm just a regular joe and give the seer the chance to divine another player. Shooting anyone else risks the seer's life.
Go nuts, pile on the majority and shoot me. It could work for the grester good.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Habs, I think a lot of what you're attributing to mnkys wolfiness can also be attributed to his relative inexperience. To inexperienced people, ties seem 'fair enough' but if you're the victim of enough ties, you realize how silly it is to let a random computer decide instead of the educated guess of a human.
Either habs plays the defeated human really well, or a bb vote is warranted instead of a habs vote.... Hmm =_=
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Either habs plays the defeated human really well, or a bb vote is warranted instead of a habs vote.... Hmm =_=
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My question is what is the apparent hold up for the bb vote, I mean no one has yet offered a solid reasoning why she should be taken out of the suspect pool. (and its DEFINITELY not fair to ask the wolves to eat her down to their last hope). It just seems a little odd to me that it has so little steam as of yet.
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You do make a valid point Harry. I checked earlier for another point I had considered making. It is only his 11th game. So he is still relatively new especially compared to most of the rest of us.
This could very well be behind his behaviour.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
This could very well be behind his behaviour.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
No one has thoughts on bb?
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checking in
kinda quiet
carry on
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kinda quiet
carry on
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There's really nothing to point to bb because of her lack of participation. Just read through her posts and didn't realize she posted her husband was diagnosed with cancer. Really sorry to hear that, bb.
Not sure. I mean we could just shoot her. That would certainly be anticlimactic
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Not sure. I mean we could just shoot her. That would certainly be anticlimactic
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I dont see a much better option
Jayo/ Monkey are FIRM clears in my book
Bradon is likely human
Scrub has a good case for being human but its not a lock
HABS is certainly a possible but Id tend to doubt it
there's you
we have 4 rounds to piece it together, although with HABS telling us she's not the seer we can pretty much play the odds shoot her and hope the seer brings us autowin....that could be just as anticlimactic
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Jayo/ Monkey are FIRM clears in my book
Bradon is likely human
Scrub has a good case for being human but its not a lock
HABS is certainly a possible but Id tend to doubt it
there's you
we have 4 rounds to piece it together, although with HABS telling us she's not the seer we can pretty much play the odds shoot her and hope the seer brings us autowin....that could be just as anticlimactic
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Yes I generally agree with you. habs and bb are priority shots. I would've expected habs to be voting bb at this point
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Hopefully the seer knows something and if so, maybe should come out next round if he OR she survives thee night.
Like I said, I'm okay with being shot. Sure I like to win (who doesn't) but would rather win as a team than as a group of individuals.
Not sure what I think of BB. Could be that she is a wolf, or may be her personal situation that is clouding her game.
I have said from the early rounds I thought Dan was human.
I will concede than mnky is more likely than not a human.
Jayo strikes me as playing for the good guys.
Scrub could be a wolf
I think this is may come down more to figuring out who is not a wolf than who is one.
Bb might actually not be a bad shot...
Still a few more hrs to go but willing to change my vote if others agree.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Like I said, I'm okay with being shot. Sure I like to win (who doesn't) but would rather win as a team than as a group of individuals.
Not sure what I think of BB. Could be that she is a wolf, or may be her personal situation that is clouding her game.
I have said from the early rounds I thought Dan was human.
I will concede than mnky is more likely than not a human.
Jayo strikes me as playing for the good guys.
Scrub could be a wolf
I think this is may come down more to figuring out who is not a wolf than who is one.
Bb might actually not be a bad shot...
Still a few more hrs to go but willing to change my vote if others agree.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Bradon has been on several times (sorry hwarry) and hasnt posted or voted, i suspect..suspect...shes having herself a little hissy fit because i dare had the gall to call her a "reasonable possibility"
In round 3.
I maintain a level of respect for u bradon because u were always fair to me even when the rest of ur group wasnt, so im gonna be far more polite than i need to be here.
You need to do some introspection and decide if ur behavior this game has been warranted, and perhaps confront the possibility that you are in the wrong.
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In round 3.
I maintain a level of respect for u bradon because u were always fair to me even when the rest of ur group wasnt, so im gonna be far more polite than i need to be here.
You need to do some introspection and decide if ur behavior this game has been warranted, and perhaps confront the possibility that you are in the wrong.
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I will not have the chance to be back again after this post so I am changing my vote to bb to tie it up and let the rest of you decide what decision to make.
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Dan - I agree with your argument of mnkgyl. Why would he ever switch to his partner at such acritical time in the round, putting her into a tie. I had not seen that all the way through.
I think I will change to bb too.
I think I will change to bb too.
I have nothing useful or further to add, so I'll simply SPV.
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As I said, if everyonevelse is on board with a BB vote, I will join in.
Changing to BB
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Changing to BB
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