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Game #3157: Wolf Etiquette???
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I find everyone's viewpoint on how wolves should behave rather interesting, since the rules of the game don't really specify how the wolves should blend in with their human counterpoints!
The game itself will be a normal game with a couple of exceptions: I will only divulge identities of remaining players at the beginning of each odd round. For instance, at the beginning of round 1, there are 12 humans (1 seer) and 3 wolves.
The second exception is that at the beginning of each round, I will convey an idea about how wolves should play. Let us use the color blue for all commets regarding the idea. I will score points earned for each new idea expressed or added onto without being repetitious. I will also add points for any valid counterpoint made by players. I am the sole judge of which comments earns points. This is just for fun, but I will give a clue at the beginning of round 4 to help the team providing the highest percentage of points/counterpoints per player.
Finally, if you want to play and are not my friend, just PM me. I want to avoid having inactive players in the game. I hope you have fun.
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The game itself will be a normal game with a couple of exceptions: I will only divulge identities of remaining players at the beginning of each odd round. For instance, at the beginning of round 1, there are 12 humans (1 seer) and 3 wolves.
The second exception is that at the beginning of each round, I will convey an idea about how wolves should play. Let us use the color blue for all commets regarding the idea. I will score points earned for each new idea expressed or added onto without being repetitious. I will also add points for any valid counterpoint made by players. I am the sole judge of which comments earns points. This is just for fun, but I will give a clue at the beginning of round 4 to help the team providing the highest percentage of points/counterpoints per player.
Finally, if you want to play and are not my friend, just PM me. I want to avoid having inactive players in the game. I hope you have fun.
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Let' start with a round 0 point/counterpoint challenge:
Since the all of the wolves win if any and or all of them survive to the end, is there an understanding within the game that the wolves work to end the game with as many alive as possible?
I forgot to add, I don't want any doctoral discertations here. Just go with one point or counterpoint at a time and let the conversation thread(s) develop as all players choose.
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Since the all of the wolves win if any and or all of them survive to the end, is there an understanding within the game that the wolves work to end the game with as many alive as possible?
I forgot to add, I don't want any doctoral discertations here. Just go with one point or counterpoint at a time and let the conversation thread(s) develop as all players choose.
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if i may, i would have to disagree with that assertion *clears throat*
The motive of the wolves should be to play in such a way that they maximize the chance of winning the game, regardless of the wolves remaining alive to taste of the sweetness of victory.
Though keeping all the wolves alive may seem like the quickest path to victory, this is often a dangerous and tempting mirage. it is a football team down 10 who doesnt go for it on 4th and 1, delaying the prospect of loss, but nevertheless increasing the chance that it at some point will arrive
thank you *drops mic*
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The motive of the wolves should be to play in such a way that they maximize the chance of winning the game, regardless of the wolves remaining alive to taste of the sweetness of victory.
Though keeping all the wolves alive may seem like the quickest path to victory, this is often a dangerous and tempting mirage. it is a football team down 10 who doesnt go for it on 4th and 1, delaying the prospect of loss, but nevertheless increasing the chance that it at some point will arrive
thank you *drops mic*
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I agree with Spider. If possible, yes, the wolves must win with as many surviving as possible, but I do not see any problem with one wolf bussing another to ensure the victory of every wolf.
Ally or die. That is the motto of the new, REVAMPED version of Alliances I currently have. Alliances is a social game to the style of WWG and WTB. To learn more and/or play, PM me or check the public talkboxes. Come for a fun game!
Ally or die. That is the motto of the new, REVAMPED version of Alliances I currently have. Alliances is a social game to the style of WWG and WTB. To learn more and/or play, PM me or check the public talkboxes. Come for a fun game!
Sorry, leaving to join HABS' game. Will come back if this is still in signups after that game ends.
EDIT: Whoops, got the games confused. Coming back.
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Ally or die. That is the motto of the new, REVAMPED version of Alliances I currently have. Alliances is a social game to the style of WWG and WTB. To learn more and/or play, PM me or check the public talkboxes. Come for a fun game!
EDIT: Whoops, got the games confused. Coming back.
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Welcome Sonic and Spider. Looks like a good, if not slow, start.
Good day yesterday. First the Rapids defeated the invading Whitecaps from the northern country on the fourth of July! We scored no one, but two goals. Then we had awesome fireworks show.
Good day yesterday. First the Rapids defeated the invading Whitecaps from the northern country on the fourth of July! We scored no one, but two goals. Then we had awesome fireworks show.
Hey
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Thanks for joining Harry! Dawnrising should not be too far behind.
As of now:
The Spider: 2 points
Sonic102: 1 point
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As of now:
The Spider: 2 points
Sonic102: 1 point
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Aww my Whitecaps lost
Anyway to the round 0 discussion point. I would argue that each wolf is primarily focused on his/her own survival rather than the survival of the "pack", and therefore are willing to use any tactics possible to ensure this end. (Keeping other wolves in the game does this by reducing the chance that suspicion will fall on you because there is more than one wolf for suspicion to fall on, and your partner(s) may do something dumb and lead to their being shot. Also, a wolf knows that his/her end is likely before game end, and keeping other wolves in the game will assist in their second motive, winning the game.) Only a wolf who believes him/herself to be in a severe danger of being found out will use tricks focused entirely on assisting his/her comrades, without benefitting him/her. So while it may indeed work to the advantage of the wolves to keep all of the wolves in the game, it is not, I believe, an understanding between wolves to keep each other in the game due to the fact that many if not most wolves play as lone wolves, focused mainly on their own survival and not that of others.
Did that make any sense?
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Anyway to the round 0 discussion point. I would argue that each wolf is primarily focused on his/her own survival rather than the survival of the "pack", and therefore are willing to use any tactics possible to ensure this end. (Keeping other wolves in the game does this by reducing the chance that suspicion will fall on you because there is more than one wolf for suspicion to fall on, and your partner(s) may do something dumb and lead to their being shot. Also, a wolf knows that his/her end is likely before game end, and keeping other wolves in the game will assist in their second motive, winning the game.) Only a wolf who believes him/herself to be in a severe danger of being found out will use tricks focused entirely on assisting his/her comrades, without benefitting him/her. So while it may indeed work to the advantage of the wolves to keep all of the wolves in the game, it is not, I believe, an understanding between wolves to keep each other in the game due to the fact that many if not most wolves play as lone wolves, focused mainly on their own survival and not that of others.
Did that make any sense?
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This game is a good example of what should wolf's do and what they should not do.
PULP FRICTION
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
PULP FRICTION
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Wow! Two points for dawnrising already. Although you also lost a point as an American cheering for a Canadian team???? Just kdding. I find it interesting that Sonic says it is okay to kill the other wolves to survive, and dawnrising says you should protect/assist them once you are in danger.
Welcome mnkgyl. And thanks for asking to play whovi. Nice to have a girl in the group!
mnkgyl - you know it is a lot of work to interpret your thinking. Perhaps you could annotate the particular problems you are noticing?
Welcome mnkgyl. And thanks for asking to play whovi. Nice to have a girl in the group!
mnkgyl - you know it is a lot of work to interpret your thinking. Perhaps you could annotate the particular problems you are noticing?
Look into the must Lynch round three.
The seer came out with Harry as a wolf. Harry's fate was almost sealed although there was suspicion on the seer too.
Then Harry started implying that I was the seer so that I could come out and save him. I did try the seer act and was successful in convincing that I was the seer until a silly major mistake done by me was found out and the wolves were doomed.
There was no suspicion on me until Harry tried to bring me out as seer to save him. We could have won the game if Harry had sacrificed himself without bringing me into limelight or if I had not done that silly mistake.
Take my words as you like.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
The seer came out with Harry as a wolf. Harry's fate was almost sealed although there was suspicion on the seer too.
Then Harry started implying that I was the seer so that I could come out and save him. I did try the seer act and was successful in convincing that I was the seer until a silly major mistake done by me was found out and the wolves were doomed.
There was no suspicion on me until Harry tried to bring me out as seer to save him. We could have won the game if Harry had sacrificed himself without bringing me into limelight or if I had not done that silly mistake.
Take my words as you like.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Hello gents.
The ultimate goal is to win - both individually and as a team. And it is in that order - if you are shot and the wolves win, you feel good, but not as good as when you make it to the end of the game.
What I don't like in wolf behavior is coming out in round 1 or 2 with a strong accusation against your fellow wolf. It's one thing if you are joining a majority - completely another if you are starting one. Given the unpredictability of who the seer will divine, there's no good reason to turn against someone unless it would save you from a similar fate.
It's a disease, not a punch line
The ultimate goal is to win - both individually and as a team. And it is in that order - if you are shot and the wolves win, you feel good, but not as good as when you make it to the end of the game.
What I don't like in wolf behavior is coming out in round 1 or 2 with a strong accusation against your fellow wolf. It's one thing if you are joining a majority - completely another if you are starting one. Given the unpredictability of who the seer will divine, there's no good reason to turn against someone unless it would save you from a similar fate.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Well I have a reasonable scenario for a lone wolf winner: 2 wolf, 5 humans, a lot of suspicion on one wolf (call him A). Wolf B has to decide whether to throw him under the bus or to stick up for him. It would probably be a good idea to throw under the bus, so as to get wolf A eliminated, during the night, someone gets eaten. There is then 1 wolf 2 humans, giving a pretty good chance for a wolf win.
"People can just pretend quotes are from a famous person, you know."-Albert Einstein while working on his Fizzcombobulating Spectaculator
"People can just pretend quotes are from a famous person, you know."-Albert Einstein while working on his Fizzcombobulating Spectaculator
No, mnk, you chose to do that I wasn't signalling anything. You hadn't logged in at all, and I was trying to draw doubt into the humans by showing them a small chance I was human in order to buy us another round since you were inactive. I almost convinced them too. That is, until you came late and seericided, which was a stupid move by you and only you. My plan had nothing to do with you In fact, it depended on you doing nothing. If you did show up, I only hoped you would excuse yourself for being late, refute my claim, and bus me. That would have been an easy win. Anyone with enough experience would have evaluated that situation and realized they could win by bussing me.
I didn't criticize you for it since you were still a noob at the time. There it is anyway.
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I didn't criticize you for it since you were still a noob at the time. There it is anyway.
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I agree with you Harry. And I realised that while writing the above post.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
I can see how Harry's posts could be interpreted as a call for help to seer claim. But if I had interpreted them that way I still probably would not have claimed seer, especially if I didn't know the rules for divinations... (which I don't actually what are they? I don't think it's in the game rules)
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I've heard several times that a seer can't divine someone he is voting for, but I've never tried it, so I don't know if that is true. From what I recall, you have a list for shooting and a list for divination - and I don't think it would make sense to pick the same person twice, but does the system actually not allow you to do this?
Weird that isn't in the rules.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Weird that isn't in the rules.
It's a disease, not a punch line
No worries, mnk. I know you did it because you trusted/respected me as a more established player who must know what I'm doing, so you thought you should just play along with my scheme. It would definitely be a confusing and intimidating situation for anyone.
Yep, the system doesn't allow you to vote and divine the same player at once. The same way you can't divine without locking a vote in (hence spv). That's also a disadvantage of being inexperienced, since it would be impossible to know that unless you tried doing it as seer.
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Yep, the system doesn't allow you to vote and divine the same player at once. The same way you can't divine without locking a vote in (hence spv). That's also a disadvantage of being inexperienced, since it would be impossible to know that unless you tried doing it as seer.
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I don't think it ever even occurred to me to try that.
Let's talk about eating humans. I always go back to games I've played and look to see who voted to eat me. I'm always surprised at how often the person chosen to be eaten is only on one person's list of three... or isn't anyone's number one choice. Would it be considered etiquette for a wolf to put down ONLY the players he really wants taken out - even if that is less than the 3 people allowed? For example, if I really, really want Harry gone, and no one else, I should vote for only Harry so that any 2nd or 3rd choices I have don't get bumped to the top of the list because one of them also on another wolf's list at #1.
Don't know if that made sense. But if you look at Spider's last moderated game, there are some good examples of both randomness and intentionally not voting for 3 people.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Let's talk about eating humans. I always go back to games I've played and look to see who voted to eat me. I'm always surprised at how often the person chosen to be eaten is only on one person's list of three... or isn't anyone's number one choice. Would it be considered etiquette for a wolf to put down ONLY the players he really wants taken out - even if that is less than the 3 people allowed? For example, if I really, really want Harry gone, and no one else, I should vote for only Harry so that any 2nd or 3rd choices I have don't get bumped to the top of the list because one of them also on another wolf's list at #1.
Don't know if that made sense. But if you look at Spider's last moderated game, there are some good examples of both randomness and intentionally not voting for 3 people.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
To resist the temptation to comment on an active game, can we have a discussion on the seer
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Whovi, many experienced players do that for a specific reason. That is, if they have a strong inclination that a specific player is the seer, they will put a sole vote on them to favor their eating in case their partners haven't clued in on it.
Besides that case, I think it's bad etiquette to not lock in the 3 votes. Though there are sometimes interesting strategic purposes to having a specific player eaten, so it's not totally black and white
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Besides that case, I think it's bad etiquette to not lock in the 3 votes. Though there are sometimes interesting strategic purposes to having a specific player eaten, so it's not totally black and white
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The_Spider wrote:
Could be a new serricide variation
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To resist the temptation to comment on an active game, can we have a discussion on the seer
Could be a new serricide variation
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Actually I missed bradons post which took the words right out of my mouth (mostly)
Oh and I agree totally with Harrys comments about night voting
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Oh and I agree totally with Harrys comments about night voting
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
When I was wolf, I tied to determine how the target to be eaten is chosen.
What I figured out that-
→first choice= 3 points
→second choice= 2 points
→third choice= 1 point
The person with the most points gets eaten.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
What I figured out that-
→first choice= 3 points
→second choice= 2 points
→third choice= 1 point
The person with the most points gets eaten.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
I think the strategy of a wolf should be dynamic. But the wolves should play as a team, without obviously talking to each other, as it is not allowed in Braingle. And the thing is more one plays, the more it makes sense to him/her.
And this game lets not chase our standard targets..
dawn chases mnk
mnk chases me
and I chase dawn
It is almost like circle of wolvy humans ..
And this game lets not chase our standard targets..
dawn chases mnk
mnk chases me
and I chase dawn
It is almost like circle of wolvy humans ..
Alright I'll go for Spider...that sound good to everyone? Spider, that should work for you right?
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We shouldn't be voting spid.
I consider him an untouchable... in the caste sense (well at least all the elder folk do ).
By the way, we should come up with a name for the sole vote strategy. It's a glossary worthy concept. My suggestion is "Lone Wolf", or the "One Hit Wolfer".
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I consider him an untouchable... in the caste sense (well at least all the elder folk do ).
By the way, we should come up with a name for the sole vote strategy. It's a glossary worthy concept. My suggestion is "Lone Wolf", or the "One Hit Wolfer".
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Braingle's randomizer isn't too worried about caste harry...but I agree with you.
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Lone Wolf is probably best used in its everyday sense..or failing that for an epic win pulled out by a wolf after an early couple wolf shootings. Picked up a skin infection from the gym so you really better not touch me
can we update Wolf Blitz to the obvious Wolf Blitzer ?
I postulate this in light of the other game: In a game where the mod has stated IDs will be given, is it accepted that the player shot/eaten should/can reveal there ID in some other fashion (for example posting in this game). Obviously in the case that the mod has not updated the game in a significant period of time.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
can we update Wolf Blitz to the obvious Wolf Blitzer ?
I postulate this in light of the other game: In a game where the mod has stated IDs will be given, is it accepted that the player shot/eaten should/can reveal there ID in some other fashion (for example posting in this game). Obviously in the case that the mod has not updated the game in a significant period of time.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The_Spider wrote:
Wow - thanks for the heads up - I wasn't even paying attention to the active game, since I missed it. No further comments.
It's a disease, not a punch line
To resist the temptation to comment on an active game, can we have a discussion on the seer
Wow - thanks for the heads up - I wasn't even paying attention to the active game, since I missed it. No further comments.
It's a disease, not a punch line
let that be Exhibit A in why you dont shoot the only person claiming to be seer
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I really don't see why would a wolf oust another wolf who is getting them a win in a superb fashion even if the first wolf is getting bussed. I would not have voted talan by believing ankit's post if he had not eaten me, which means he made the right choice by eating me
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
It was a good ploy, it injected mystery and confusion into the relationship between talan/ankit. Was ankit trying simply to get Talan shot since he bussed him? Was Ankit simply trying to get a human shot? Or were they both wolves and it was just a calculated ploy. It added much more to think about and def justified Talan not being eaten to a degree (still a questionable but at least defensible move in that light). Very cool strategy by ankit I must say
but anyone who knows how friendly ankit generally is should have guessed he wasnt out for revenge imo
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
but anyone who knows how friendly ankit generally is should have guessed he wasnt out for revenge imo
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
This shows the coordination between the wolves without being able to talk to each other.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Discussing the game in progress, deb logged on today but has not posted in the game during the last two rounds, which suggests she wants to help the remaining wolf/wolves by not posting IDs. I can't blame her, she wants a competitive game. Also, I had been guessing that talan was not a wolf since ankit's post that he was, though you have to admit, it was a smart tactic to confuse the humans like that by not eating talan and claiming he was a wolf.
Stuck at 7 players to go...
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deb had a reason for not being around - she's actually really good at staying neutral...
It's a disease, not a punch line
It's a disease, not a punch line
Thanks Spider .. ..
This is what happened in that game from my end ..
The moment talan claimed that he is a seer, and Jayo and me are wolves, and bobbi is human .. I was like what ?? .. Everybody believed him, and then got Jayo in that round .. So I was sure, the next round they were going to come to me .. Then came the night, I thought the normal thing would be to eat talan, then get shot next round, and then leave the game with one wolf and one confirmed human - bobbi, and " " .. -> (to be written after the game) ..
So I thought of this ploy .. In my 3 votes .. I didn't even select talan .. my first choice was snow, second and third I don't remember .. And I got my first choice .. I don't know what the other wolf voted, but even if he/she voted talan, it wouldn't work as talan was not voted by me in any of the 3 votes ..
I cast my first vote for snow ., because when talan was claiming me and Jayo as wolves, he was saying that he will be divining snow next ..
Then ..In the next round, as expected everyone was voting me .. So that was it .. 3 votes were already cast .. And everyone was waiting for talan to post the id of someone whom talan would divine .. And obviously talan and a few more, were confused why the confirmed seer wasn't eaten ..
So I posted that .. I didn't eat talan, because I couldn't talan ... talan is the 3rd wolf .. and tried to exhibit as much frustration as I can in my writing .. .. I think you already would have seen that post, as you know what happened there .. And then I voted myself, and thus shot myself ..
Then in the next round .. the remaining wolf proceeded with what I had started.. And I would say he/she did so nicely .. And they shot talan that round .. One more was eaten ..
And now the game is left with 3 people .. 1 wolf and 2 humans .. And the fingers are crossed ..
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This is what happened in that game from my end ..
The moment talan claimed that he is a seer, and Jayo and me are wolves, and bobbi is human .. I was like what ?? .. Everybody believed him, and then got Jayo in that round .. So I was sure, the next round they were going to come to me .. Then came the night, I thought the normal thing would be to eat talan, then get shot next round, and then leave the game with one wolf and one confirmed human - bobbi, and " " .. -> (to be written after the game) ..
So I thought of this ploy .. In my 3 votes .. I didn't even select talan .. my first choice was snow, second and third I don't remember .. And I got my first choice .. I don't know what the other wolf voted, but even if he/she voted talan, it wouldn't work as talan was not voted by me in any of the 3 votes ..
I cast my first vote for snow ., because when talan was claiming me and Jayo as wolves, he was saying that he will be divining snow next ..
Then ..In the next round, as expected everyone was voting me .. So that was it .. 3 votes were already cast .. And everyone was waiting for talan to post the id of someone whom talan would divine .. And obviously talan and a few more, were confused why the confirmed seer wasn't eaten ..
So I posted that .. I didn't eat talan, because I couldn't talan ... talan is the 3rd wolf .. and tried to exhibit as much frustration as I can in my writing .. .. I think you already would have seen that post, as you know what happened there .. And then I voted myself, and thus shot myself ..
Then in the next round .. the remaining wolf proceeded with what I had started.. And I would say he/she did so nicely .. And they shot talan that round .. One more was eaten ..
And now the game is left with 3 people .. 1 wolf and 2 humans .. And the fingers are crossed ..
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And thanks a ton to deb for remaining neutral in that game .. !!
Now everyone in that game is saying they hope she's alright. I hope so too, it's interesting that she hasn't said anything...
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Yeah .. I pray too that she is alright ..
Deb logged on and explained things end of last round guys
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Oh in round 6? Did not see that
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There are times I am not sure how to treat fellow wolves. Should I ignore them or embrace them, or is is better to remain neutral? I usually try to remain neutral, but sometimes that is impossible. I've never felt good about busing a fellow wolf, but I will if necessary. I know that many will vote for a fellow wolf in the first couple of rounds just so they can say they did, but I've seen where that backfires and suddenly there is a bandwagon of followers and no way to get out of it. It's a fine line that's easy to cross, so you need to be careful.
In regards to Spider's comments regarding games where the mod has stated IDs will be given and for whatever reason the mod is unable to show up, I agree there should be some method to inform the players of the shot player's identity if the Mod hasn't shown up by the end of the following round. As far as revealing the Seer, I'm not sure if that would be a good idea. As much as I wanted to know if the Seer was still in the game I was just in, not knowing added another layer of intensity to keep me guessing. Had the Mod been there and revealed the Seer still lived, I think the game would have been over then and there. On the other hand, had the Mod been there and refused to say (I've seen that happen) then that would be wrong. Mods need to keep their word. However, in Deb's case her non-appearance was unavoidable and certainly understandable. Real life always comes first.
I apologize for my doctoral dissertation that was expressly prohibited by our esteemed Mod, so feel free to delete any or all of my ramblings as you see fit, Scrub.
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In regards to Spider's comments regarding games where the mod has stated IDs will be given and for whatever reason the mod is unable to show up, I agree there should be some method to inform the players of the shot player's identity if the Mod hasn't shown up by the end of the following round. As far as revealing the Seer, I'm not sure if that would be a good idea. As much as I wanted to know if the Seer was still in the game I was just in, not knowing added another layer of intensity to keep me guessing. Had the Mod been there and revealed the Seer still lived, I think the game would have been over then and there. On the other hand, had the Mod been there and refused to say (I've seen that happen) then that would be wrong. Mods need to keep their word. However, in Deb's case her non-appearance was unavoidable and certainly understandable. Real life always comes first.
I apologize for my doctoral dissertation that was expressly prohibited by our esteemed Mod, so feel free to delete any or all of my ramblings as you see fit, Scrub.
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We should have a couple more players join us soon! Just a reminder - but I have decided that I will only list the details of everyone still in the game every odd round. This will make it a little more challenging on knowing the seer because there will always be at least four suspects. It can also be problematic when identifying wolves because of the same problem.
We have had quite a few points/counterpoints - but let me remind you that the topic for this round is when you play as a wolf, it is important that you play to win as a team, or do you just play for the win however it happens. I think most of us have said the more, the merrier in getting a win. But it is not necessary, and mnkgyl is giving us an example of why you don't even try to bring all three along.
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We have had quite a few points/counterpoints - but let me remind you that the topic for this round is when you play as a wolf, it is important that you play to win as a team, or do you just play for the win however it happens. I think most of us have said the more, the merrier in getting a win. But it is not necessary, and mnkgyl is giving us an example of why you don't even try to bring all three along.
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Greetings all. Is it safe to stick my head out again?
THE SEER IS HERE!!!
hey it rhymes
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hey it rhymes
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if my count is accurate......we need more people
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
But where will we find them?
It's a disease, not a punch line
It's a disease, not a punch line
I just advertised in my last game ...
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The thing is, a wolf still wins even if he dies if the other wolves win. That is the important bit.
I still don't understand why the wolves don't have their own (private) discussion forum. I really like the technique implemented by Epicmafia that allows the mafia to talk to each other.
(If you don't know, Epicmafia.com is a really cool WW game. The mafia are the werewolves and the humans are humans BUT there are hundreds of different roles, like gunsmiths (give guns), fools (win if they get killed at day), voodoo ladies (curse a certain word) and even third-party roles like cultists that convert people.)
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I still don't understand why the wolves don't have their own (private) discussion forum. I really like the technique implemented by Epicmafia that allows the mafia to talk to each other.
(If you don't know, Epicmafia.com is a really cool WW game. The mafia are the werewolves and the humans are humans BUT there are hundreds of different roles, like gunsmiths (give guns), fools (win if they get killed at day), voodoo ladies (curse a certain word) and even third-party roles like cultists that convert people.)
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talanpoe wrote:
Unfortunately, you've stumbled upon a game of Whack A Poe.
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Greetings all. Is it safe to stick my head out again?
Unfortunately, you've stumbled upon a game of Whack A Poe.
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thanks for joining us Talanpoe. We have a couple more still trying to connect, so I am only looking for three more to start. Sounds like we are close. Anybody know where Evita is?
Instead of revealing identities every is round, use the following method to make game more confusing.
An human is shot- reveal that a human is shot.
A wolf is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Seer is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
A human is eaten- reveal that a human is eaten.
Seer is eaten- reveal that a seer is eaten.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
An human is shot- reveal that a human is shot.
A wolf is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Seer is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
A human is eaten- reveal that a human is eaten.
Seer is eaten- reveal that a seer is eaten.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
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mnkgyl wrote:
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An human is shot- reveal that a human is shot.
A wolf is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Seer is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
This benefits the wolves who would then know exactly who was shot while the humans remain significantly in the dark.
A wolf is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Seer is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
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I tried epicmafia .. But it is kinda confusing .. .. Does anyone else here play on it ?? .. sonic ?
talanpoe wrote:
Would be good for a 20 player game where the wolves are significantly outnumbered.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
mnkgyl wrote:
An human is shot- reveal that a human is shot.
A wolf is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Seer is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
This benefits the wolves who would then know exactly who was shot while the humans remain significantly in the dark.A wolf is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Seer is shot- reveal that a wolf/seer is shot.
Would be good for a 20 player game where the wolves are significantly outnumbered.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
ankitankurddit wrote:
I have played town of Salem which is probably similar to epicmafia. I know nothing about epicmafia.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
I tried epicmafia .. But it is kinda confusing .. .. Does anyone else here play on it ?? .. sonic ?
I have played town of Salem which is probably similar to epicmafia. I know nothing about epicmafia.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
mnkgyl wrote:
Would be good for a 20 player game where the wolves are significantly outnumbered.
Wolves are always outnumbered 4 to 1 regardless of the size of the game, so it still gives them an advantage. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing if that's what the mod wants to do. I'm just saying IMO it won't sow confusion evenly across all players.)
MAN,THAT'S A LOT TO READ..
But I'm here to play..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
But I'm here to play..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
What if Smithy makes a resurgence
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I am here as well. I like the idea of only revealing every other round, then only stating that there are still X humans and y wolves left. The seer is/isn't still here.
I think wolves should work together for 'the greater good' and if that means sacrificing one wolf for the benefit of the entire teamteam, so be it.
I don't think a wolf should bus a fellow wolf just to save himself. Play as a team, win (or lose) as a team.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I think wolves should work together for 'the greater good' and if that means sacrificing one wolf for the benefit of the entire teamteam, so be it.
I don't think a wolf should bus a fellow wolf just to save himself. Play as a team, win (or lose) as a team.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Scrub - when you say "the team" with the most points . . .
Are we being split into teams? Or do you simply mean wolves/humans?
Not sure if the game will get underway tonight, but I am leaving in about an hour to my bro's place, it is his daughter's 3rd birthday so he is having a BBQ and I get out of cooking dinner!
I won't be back until late. See you in the AM.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Are we being split into teams? Or do you simply mean wolves/humans?
Not sure if the game will get underway tonight, but I am leaving in about an hour to my bro's place, it is his daughter's 3rd birthday so he is having a BBQ and I get out of cooking dinner!
I won't be back until late. See you in the AM.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Scrubb needs to re-add him :O
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
three to go...
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Welcome Talanpoe and HABS. I hope you enjoy the game. Look forward to your thoughts, too, Cat.
Two more are in line to play if RL works out. Looks like some of my girlfriends have decided to give it a shot. I like the balance of not having all 20 something males in the game.
As far as games are concerned, I like playing 15. That makes the last round a 2-1 if we get that far. Looks like everyone is an active player.
Since we are getting close to starting, I will take a look at how we are doing and score points/counterpoints, and post this afternoon. HABS - the teams are however I make them. I AM the WOLFMASTER!!! Auooooooooo! ( OK - really human/wolf).
Two more are in line to play if RL works out. Looks like some of my girlfriends have decided to give it a shot. I like the balance of not having all 20 something males in the game.
As far as games are concerned, I like playing 15. That makes the last round a 2-1 if we get that far. Looks like everyone is an active player.
Since we are getting close to starting, I will take a look at how we are doing and score points/counterpoints, and post this afternoon. HABS - the teams are however I make them. I AM the WOLFMASTER!!! Auooooooooo! ( OK - really human/wolf).
scrub88 wrote:
I would guess HABS might take offense at that...
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I like the balance of not having all 20 something males in the game.[/color]
I would guess HABS might take offense at that...
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HABS, I don't see what's so bad about bussing sa wolf in the last few rounds. In Spider's Animal House 2 Harry was human, and because he suspected dawnrising many people cleared him. Now imagine he was a wolf. He would be instantaneously clear, and other people would be killed. This leads on to Harry eventually winning, leading on to the wolf victory. As I said before, only one wolf needs to remain alive.
EM is basically a realtime version of Werewolf. At day you have 2 or so minutes to lynch someone. At night the mafia (werewolf) can talk to each other and kill someone.
The twist? There are lots of special roles, like cop (seer) and doctor. It's just like playing a WW game with moderator special rules.
EDIT: Wait, if you mean points in the human/wolf teams, that means the wolves have a significant disadvantage. Maybe wolves get x4 points (to balance it)?
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EM is basically a realtime version of Werewolf. At day you have 2 or so minutes to lynch someone. At night the mafia (werewolf) can talk to each other and kill someone.
The twist? There are lots of special roles, like cop (seer) and doctor. It's just like playing a WW game with moderator special rules.
EDIT: Wait, if you mean points in the human/wolf teams, that means the wolves have a significant disadvantage. Maybe wolves get x4 points (to balance it)?
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Hello everyone. As far as the wolves playing as a team, that's how I always try to play when I'm a wolf. I've never liked throwing a fellow wolf under the bus, but I would if I absolutely had no choice. As far as I am concerned, even if only one wolf is left standing at the end of the game and wins it - all the wolves have won.
I also do like knowing if we shot a human or a wolf as well as knowing if our Seer is still in the game. Even if we do know the identities of the dead, it is still a game of deduction and chance...
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
I also do like knowing if we shot a human or a wolf as well as knowing if our Seer is still in the game. Even if we do know the identities of the dead, it is still a game of deduction and chance...
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
dawnrising wrote:
don't forget me... there's nothing male nor 20 something about me
It's a disease, not a punch line
scrub88 wrote:
I would guess HABS might take offense at that...
I like the balance of not having all 20 something males in the game.[/color]
I would guess HABS might take offense at that...
don't forget me... there's nothing male nor 20 something about me
It's a disease, not a punch line
HABS is the most public about her age...you could be mid-20s for all I know...
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And, although Bradon is frequently confused with Brandon, but really is Bradon, I am also a "not" 20 something male, but an "ahem" well over 20 something female.
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I'm 41 and proud of it.
It's a disease, not a punch line
It's a disease, not a punch line
I don'tvknow why my post from last night is not here. When I got in at 0100, I came on briefly and wrote one.
Esentially it the comment to me about bussing:
I never said there was a problem with bussing, I've done it, I've bussed both my partners (one was inactive ). I said I didn't agree with it when the SOLE purpose of it is YOUR survival. Turning the tables on a fellow wolf when you are already the one with several votes. That is what I am against.
And, no bussing does not ensure you'll make it to the end, it may give you a few more rounds, but ensures nothing more.
I like the balance of not having all 20 something males in the game
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Why would I take for nce to that? You can't be offended by the truth. I am NOT
a 20 year old male. Nothing to be offended by there. In fact, if anything, it is the 20 year old males that should be offended, he doesn't want a game full of that demographic. I am flattered he not only allows us tl play, but wants us here.
And others have mentioned their age as well. Or at least their general age. In the 1987 game several people commented on how old they were that year. I didn't give a specific age, just that I was in my early teens.
Not that it matters, I am not one of those weird people who are concerned about it. I am neither the youngest nor the oldest on the site, or even in these games.
I am slighty older than Whovian, "a lot older" than Deb, and much much younger than Randy. It is what it is, no reason to be offended.
It is pretty hard to offend me anyway.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Esentially it the comment to me about bussing:
HABS, I don't see what's so bad about bussing sa wolf in the last few rounds.
I never said there was a problem with bussing, I've done it, I've bussed both my partners (one was inactive ). I said I didn't agree with it when the SOLE purpose of it is YOUR survival. Turning the tables on a fellow wolf when you are already the one with several votes. That is what I am against.
And, no bussing does not ensure you'll make it to the end, it may give you a few more rounds, but ensures nothing more.
I like the balance of not having all 20 something males in the game
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I would guess HABS might take offense at that...
Why would I take for nce to that? You can't be offended by the truth. I am NOT
a 20 year old male. Nothing to be offended by there. In fact, if anything, it is the 20 year old males that should be offended, he doesn't want a game full of that demographic. I am flattered he not only allows us tl play, but wants us here.
And others have mentioned their age as well. Or at least their general age. In the 1987 game several people commented on how old they were that year. I didn't give a specific age, just that I was in my early teens.
Not that it matters, I am not one of those weird people who are concerned about it. I am neither the youngest nor the oldest on the site, or even in these games.
I am slighty older than Whovian, "a lot older" than Deb, and much much younger than Randy. It is what it is, no reason to be offended.
It is pretty hard to offend me anyway.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Speaking of Deb, has she decided to sit this one out? Anyone heard?
And for the record, I'm older than Randy, but young at heart.
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And for the record, I'm older than Randy, but young at heart.
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bradon182001 wrote:
I suppose it depends on how her daughter is.
Are you really? I did not know that.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Speaking of Deb, has she decided to sit this one out? Anyone heard?
I suppose it depends on how her daughter is.
And for the record, I'm older than Randy
Are you really? I did not know that.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I was kind of joking HABS...
Speaking of which, I will be passing straight through London on my upcoming vacation...
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Speaking of which, I will be passing straight through London on my upcoming vacation...
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sonic .. please add me to your friend list.. I have already sent a request ..
I wish to join the WTB game moderated by you ..
I wish to join the WTB game moderated by you ..
hello lovely people
my daughter is at home so my mind will be getting back to normal I guess it depends on how you look at it
if I am a wolf I don't like to bus a fellow wolf unless 1. they have been really inactive or 2. the jig is already up on them
we are a team so if wolves win and I am out in round 1 it still is a win...not as satisfying personally but still a win and same goes for team human
as far as gender, in case you didn't know I am female and age, although I like to tell habs she IS older than me it is not factual, but hey it is a game, we are allowed to obfuscate
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my daughter is at home so my mind will be getting back to normal I guess it depends on how you look at it
if I am a wolf I don't like to bus a fellow wolf unless 1. they have been really inactive or 2. the jig is already up on them
we are a team so if wolves win and I am out in round 1 it still is a win...not as satisfying personally but still a win and same goes for team human
as far as gender, in case you didn't know I am female and age, although I like to tell habs she IS older than me it is not factual, but hey it is a game, we are allowed to obfuscate
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dawnrising wrote:
Really? Where are you going?
debc1 wrote:
Shh, they would have bought me being older. Lol
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
.. I will be passing straight through London on my upcoming vacation...
Really? Where are you going?
debc1 wrote:
although I like to tell habs she IS older than me it is not factual, but hey it is a game, we are allowed to obfuscate
Shh, they would have bought me being older. Lol
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I think I am older than Randy as well, just not female.
I guess we will have to see how the youngsters who think bussing is totally acceptable mix with those who won't unless it is absolutely necessary. HABS point so far is the winner of the round.
She can't stand wolves who start to bus when they are in danger. I suspect someone will want to counterpoint her!
We are one away.
I guess we will have to see how the youngsters who think bussing is totally acceptable mix with those who won't unless it is absolutely necessary. HABS point so far is the winner of the round.
She can't stand wolves who start to bus when they are in danger. I suspect someone will want to counterpoint her!
We are one away.
Since I already voiced my thoughts on "wolf bussing", I'm just here to say that I am probably older than anyone else in this game and most people on site! Just an old, friendly, female frog...
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